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RE: [#293] Summary for tables

From: Jens Meiert <jens.meiert@erde3.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:07:58 +0200 (MEST)
To: www-html@w3.org
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> I'm sorry if I seem arrogant; it's not my intention, and
> I can tell you that I'm not. I see and understand your
> problems, but I don't agree with your solutions.

Okay. By the way, my table post was no solution, but a simple suggestion.

> Yes, layout tables were necessary some years ago, when
> most UA's still had v4.0 stamped on them. But today, it
> isn't, and it's a better solution to get to authors write
> semantically correct HTML than to make a hack in the HTML
> spec to get semantically wrong HTML to "work".

Exactly. What I wanted to express with 'develop for almost all user-agents'
is the need still to develop for version 4.x browsers (since several 100,000s
are still in use) -- and for me, that's a real accessibility matter (which
the entire table discussion was at least about). Maybe this is a decision for
each Web developer, but I decided not to throw out old browsers, not yet;
I'll feel 'guilty' if I'd do so.

Maybe the W3C (or the WAI WG) should publish timelines when to pass on
compatibility to older user-agents...!? Otherwise, there'll always be the problem
to define the moment when to do so (for me that's an important problem since
there'll be only more user-agents, not less).

> > But if you're only that pseudo-expert having no practice
> > at all, testing your markup only in IE 6, you won't
> > understand.
> What makes you get that impression of me?

Now I'm sorry, but I felt somewhat angry when titled as someone 'without
knowledge or experience'. I built a huge amount of Web sites until now, and I
always tried to unite validity, usability, accessibility matters in them -- and
I guess (or hope), successfully anyhow.

> > I don't need any specification advocate when this ain't
> > serving former or current needs. 
> Current needs are based on bad code, and instead of making
> the bad code work, I think we (as a web authoring community)
> should make the bad code right.

I fully agree.


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