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RE: Make Microsoft follow the spec.

From: NeTDeMoN <NeTDeMoNZ@flashmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:14:58 -0500
To: "Tantek Celik" <tantek@cs.stanford.edu>, <www-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <HIEPLACEKAIAJCCDBOPCIEDKCBAA.NeTDeMoNZ@flashmail.com>
I notice that it says on http://www.tantek.com/HTML4/OPTGROUP.html that IE
follows CSS 1.0 and DOM 1.0. Maybe that is part of the problem. I write my
sites to work for DOM2.1/1.0 and CSS 2.0/1.0. Your web page looked correctly
in the latest version of Mozilla and NS6.01 but incorrectly on my IE5.5.

Other things that I can think of off the top of my head that don't work
correctly is that document.all stuff IE has, contentDocument in the
HTMLFrames, innerHTML (which Mozilla supports now because of the ranting of
people) and CSS that looks like this:
div > a:visited
{
    color: #ff0000;
    font-family: arial;
    text-decoration: none;
}

Although I'm not sure on that one and have to investigate it further.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tantek Celik [mailto:tantek@cs.stanford.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:01
To: NeTDeMoN; www-html@w3.org
Subject: Re: Make Microsoft follow the spec.


From: "NeTDeMoN" <NeTDeMoNZ@flashmail.com>
Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2001, 4:03 AM

> I work on the Mozilla project and you don't have to remind me that
Netscape
> 4.x stinks. Netscape 4.x is out of date and Netscape 6.01 is the version
> most people should be using if they have enough memory resources.
Therefore,
> on "DHTML" pages, people should drop Netscape 4.x support entirely (since
> its standards support stinks) and make the pages support Netscape
> 6.x/Mozilla/Opera/IE 5.

I think this article describes this approach best:

 http://www.alistapart.com/stories/tohell/

> Microsoft is probably dragging their heels on full
> HTML support because fully supporting the standard would allow people to
use
> Netscape 6.x on pages and it would be better to make pages only support
> proprietary MS html (at least for their wallets).

Send your valid HTML examples which demonstrate the bugs here:

 wasp@microsoft.com

along with platform information etc., and we'll see what we can do about it.

> Netscape 6.x almost fully follows the standards (there are only a few
> examples I can think of where it doesn't, such as CSS features not
> implemented yet).

Perhaps you can ping someone about hierarchical menu OPTGROUPs and proper
implementation of the LABEL attribute on OPTION, per HTML4?

 http://www.tantek.com/HTML4/OPTGROUP.html

Tantek

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