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RE: FRAMEBORDER attribute?

From: Murray Macdonald <murray@mha.ca>
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:27:45 -0800
Message-ID: <D00C91AAE6F2D311BAE1005004D16880380FB8@camel.mha.ca>
To: "'www-html@w3.org'" <www-html@w3.org>
Although I agree an alternative to frames would be nice and is required, I believe that frames compatability should be maintained as it is beneficial to JavaScript programmers and their existing code.  Any alternative should consider not only the markup language, but also things that operate upon it.  There is great value in remaining backwardly compatiblity.  Why _must_ frames be eliminated?  Were server side image maps eliminated by client side image maps?

--Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicolas Lesbats [mailto:nlesbats@etu.utc.fr]
Sent: February 2, 2001 1:33 PM
To: 'www-html@w3.org'
Subject: RE: FRAMEBORDER attribute?


On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Higgins wrote:

> The *whole* reason these lists exist is to assist in the formulation of new
> standards. To say that "frames don't exist in XHTML 1.0" does not make it
> law, it simply means that perhaps XHTML 1.0 needs to be revised already!

No, it means that W3C people spent a long, long time doing formal
discussions about the future of this markup language. If they trash
frames from XHTML 1.1 (frames do exist in XHTML 1.0), you shouldn't hope
that you could have any influence on that because there are "good" reasons
to do so.

W3C allows people to discuss standards before they become
recommandations, not to create them. If W3C decided to trash frames, never
imagine you can change that.

If authors use frames, then usual browsers will continue to implement
them, and that's all. By the way, it is possible to avoid reload a page by
using an OBJECT element combinating with CSS (presently it's not very well
implemented so IFRAME can be used for training, although it's a deprecated
element).

Nicolas

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