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RE: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here! (was: RE: margin element s)

From: David Higgins <d.higgins@eintegration.com.au>
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:00:25 +1100
Message-ID: <CFF312DBBC1CD411800B00E018C296233A6BE8@LEONARDO>
To: www-html@w3.org
Agreed, but there's much more to it than just what we want!

Two articles, after reading the first I thought "Yeah, why don't we get
better browsers, what's going on!!!" but after the second it is a little
clearer the problems faced by NS and Ms, etc.

#1 - http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/99/52/index2a.html?tw=authoring
#2 - http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/38/index1a.html?tw=commentary

Read them and let me know what your thoughts re Browsers V HTML standards
are. (No, I don't work for HotWired, I just thought they were good
articles!).


Cheers and have a great weekend.



-----Original Message-----
From: Charles F. Munat [mailto:chas@munat.com]
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2000 5:33 PM
To: 'David Higgins'; www-html@w3.org
Subject: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here! (was: RE: margin elements)


David Higgins wrote:
"You shouldn't have to alter your design because one piece of software does
not adhere to the standards!"

Au contraire: you shouldn't abandon the standards just because one poorly
designed piece of software doesn't adhere to them. Why let Netscape dictate
the way the Web works? If we all build sites to standards, the browser
manufacturers will build the browsers to standards, too. As long as you let
them make the decisions, you'll get whatever they think will give them a
competitive advantage.

From here on out, all web designers should actively boycott any and all new
browsers or browser versions that stray from the standards. That includes
Internet Explorer 6, if Microsoft doesn't keep its promises to support CSS,
DOM, HTML, etc.

If enough of us stand up and demand standards-compliant browsers, we'll get
them. If we keep adapting our work to anything browser manufacturers decide
to hand us, we'll get what we deserve.

Furthermore, we should be educating Web users about the importance of
standards compliance and encouraging them to switch to standards-compliant
browsers, the best of which currently is Netscape 6.

To quote a great Irishman, John Philpot Curran:

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal
vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence
of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt."

So the future of the Web depends on our unwillingness to settle for less
than full standards compliance... which condition if we break, proprietary
hell is both the consequence of our crime and the punishment of our guilt.
And as far as I'm concerned, if you're not a part of the solution, you're
part of the problem.

IMO, of course.

Charles F. Munat,
Seattle, Washington
Received on Thursday, 14 December 2000 18:53:19 GMT

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