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Re: [Moderator Action] Another frames question (sorry)

From: Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow@hem.passagen.se>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:09:44 +0200
Message-ID: <002901c00740$7c20ce40$511859d5@chello.se>
To: <www-html@w3.org>
Cc: "Stephanos Piperoglou" <stephanos@webreference.com>
Stephanos Piperoglou:

> > My question is this...  As I was browsing around the w3 site, I
> > noticed that framesets are being phased out.  Someone a while back
> > mentioned a way to get the same result using (if I remember
> > correctly) stylesheets and xlink?

> No xlink, just CSS2, and more to the point, fixed positioning [1].

> Works pretty well in Mozilla/Gecko last time I checked, also falls
> back beautifully for older browsers. Also addresses most of the
> problems with frames (my favourite being linking, which even IE5's
> state-dependant bookmarks didn't fix).

I don't know about graceful fallback, but anyway I've started
experimenting with this, and I plan to update my pages with
a version that has a framelike layout that uses fixed positioning
(with JavaScript surrogates for browsers that can't handle it,
and noscript versions for really old or stupid browsers).

But there is one problem: With frames e.g. a separate navigational
part can have its own scroll bars. I can't find a way of getting
that if I use a div with fixed position. If the window gets too
small, part of the fixed div will stay out of view without any
means of scrolling it into view.

Have I missed something?

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                         Bertilo Wennergren
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                     <bertilow@hem.passagen.se>
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Received on Wednesday, 16 August 2000 01:10:31 GMT

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