Re: Where are my MARGINs?

David Norris (kg9ae@geocities.com)
Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:54:38 -0500


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From: "David Norris" <kg9ae@geocities.com>
To: "Steven Lawrance" <lawranc5@airmail.net>, <www-html@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:54:38 -0500
In-Reply-To: <001101bd4bb5$bcc7b3d0$020110b0@pentium>
Subject: RE: Where are my MARGINs?

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Margins are well implemented using CSS.  Navigator 4+ and IE 3+ support CSS.
Style Sheets provide presentational information for HTML.  I don't think
that anyone will be adding presentation tags or attributes anymore.  At
least, I hope not.

<OBJECT> would be used to insert music or anything else into a document.
This is supported in current browsers.  I haven't tested Opera, but, it
works fine in NCSA Mosaic 3, Navigator 4+, IE 4 +.  OBJECT replaces quite a
few tags; such as APPLET, EMBED, etc.

David Norris
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: www-html-request@w3.org [mailto:www-html-request@w3.org]On Behalf
Of Steven Lawrance
    Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 6:48 PM
    To: www-html@w3.org
    Subject: Where are my MARGINs?


    Hello, all!

    I'm new to this group, I'm not a card-carrying member of the W3C yet,
but I'm a long time web page designer who would still like to see some of
the most basic elements added to HTML...

    Why is there no MARGIN (or equivalent) tag specification in the BODY
section of HTML?  I'm tired of using topmargin="" and leftmargin="" for my
margins in IE, and marginheight="" and marginwidth="" in Netscape  (I don't
even know if Opera has a nonstandard margin tag!)...

    We need a standard margin tag for the body section...

    Another thing...  We need to standardize background music once and for
all...  Plugins are not my favorite way of implementing this feature that is
already implemented in IE with the nonstandard BGSOUND tag.

    Thanks in advance if anyone here can get these suggestions through to
the W3C.

    -Joey

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size=3D3>&lt;OBJECT&gt; would be used to insert music or anything else =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><FONT size=3D2>David =
Norris</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>-----Original=20
    Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> www-html-request@w3.org=20
    [mailto:www-html-request@w3.org]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Steven=20
    Lawrance<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 09, 1998 6:48 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
    www-html@w3.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Where are my=20
MARGINs?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello, all!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'm new to this group, I'm not a card-carrying =
member of=20
    the W3C yet, but I'm a long time web page designer who would still =
like to=20
    see some of the most basic elements added to HTML...</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Why is there no MARGIN (or equivalent) tag =
specification=20
    in the BODY section of HTML?&nbsp; I'm tired of using =
topmargin=3D&quot;&quot;=20
    and leftmargin=3D&quot;&quot; for my margins in IE, and=20
    marginheight=3D&quot;&quot; and marginwidth=3D&quot;&quot; in =
Netscape&nbsp; (I=20
    don't even know if Opera has a nonstandard margin tag!)...&nbsp;=20
    </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>We need a standard margin tag for the body=20
    section...</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Another thing...&nbsp; We need to standardize =
background=20
    music once and for all...&nbsp; Plugins are not my favorite way of=20
    implementing this feature that is already implemented in IE with the =

    nonstandard BGSOUND tag.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks in advance if anyone here can get these =
suggestions=20
    through to the W3C.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>-Joey</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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