Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:24:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <Svbq8gEKQlx0Ewwm@the-net-effect.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org From: Colin F Reynolds <email@example.com> In-Reply-To: <SIMEON.9801211403.E@sf108.essex.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Questionable implementation of IMG ALT attribute as tooltips In article <SIMEON.9801211403.E@sf108.essex.ac.uk>, James Green <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:12:06 -0500 (EST) Colin F Reynolds ><email@example.com> wrote: > >> In article <SIMEON.9801191405.A@sf100.essex.ac.uk>, James Green >> <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes >> >Don't go nuts over it. Use HTML as described by the W3C and you will >> >have no problem. >> >> If only that were true... sadly, it depends upon my "using HTML" as >> described by the W3C to author pages for the WWW, (which I do, to the >> best of my ability) _together with_ the browser developers doing the >> same. You may have noticed that whilst I can control the former, the >> latter is somewhat more troublesome ;) > >No, forget what the browsers do in such a trivial instance. You may consider it trivial: I call it a serious flaw in the interface, due to the _impossibility_ of providing wording which serves both as _alternative_ and _supplementary_ information for the object. > Unless a >popular browser makes a display 'mistake' which has some marked impact >on your site, don't worry about it. This is _exactly_ what is happening. The implementation of ALT-as-popup in recent versions of the most popular browsers impairs the functionality of *every* page of *every* site for which I am responsible. I do not call this "trivial". I expect that many of the visitors to the sites I maintain are not only Internet newbies, but are also often barely computer-literate. Providing misleading, distracting cues is the last thing you must do for such an audience. I don't like it, which is why I'm trying to find a solution to the problem. James, if you speak for the W3C (do you?), then I guess I have no alternative but to throw my hands up in the air in despair (and go nuts ;) [snippage of irrelevant anecdote] > As I said, in the case of ALT, they (the >programmers) probably made it a tooltip seeing the advantages while >there not being any(?) disadvantages. Semantically, ALT text and Tooltips are quite different. The former is, or _should be_, for use where the image is unavailable (to the user agent); standard UI practice dictates that the latter should be used to provide optional _additional_ clues where the image is an hyperlink. I wish to _markup_ my content appropriately. I cannot. What happened to the 'M' in HTML? >Regards, -- Colin Reynolds Q: Will computers ever be able to wreck a nice beach? And if they do, will they *understand* it?