Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:38:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst?= <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: Rob <email@example.com> cc: firstname.lastname@example.org In-Reply-To: <199709230037.UAA29661@unix.asb.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970923153524.361I-100000@enoshima> Subject: Re: Foreign Words and Phrases On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Rob wrote: > On 22 Sep 97, Martin J. D=FCrst <email@example.com> wrote: > > [..] > > > <EM lang=3D"it">Lega Nord</EM> > > > =09This is also no good, because it implies an emphasis that I don't > > > want in the document. For the same reason, <CITE> and other traditio= nally > > > italicized elements are no good. > > > > I guess this is what you will have to go with. If you want foreign term= s > > to be something different, which should be visible, then this is a sort > > of emphasis. You are saying: Hey, here comes something special. > > [..] >=20 > I disagree completely. The purpose of using italics for 'foreign' words > or phrases is for visual emphasis to tell the reader something is special > about that word, though not necessarily logical emphasis. Hence EM is > inappropriate if there is nothing *important* about the foreign word. Sorry I have used words such as "semantics" and "logic" in earlier postings. SGML/HTML are about *structure*. And foreign words definitely have some *structural* emphasis in the contexts we are discussing. They are something that somehow breaks the structure of plain text, important enough to be emphasized. > Italics provide a visual cue that something is special about the word > without saying what that special attribute is. (It's assumed the human > reader will figure out the difference between emphasis, flagging of > non-standard/special/foreign words, and citations.) >=20 > Using EM is deceptive and will throw off a speech renderer that might > speak the world with added volume. SPAN is more appropriate. That wouldn't be a mistake. There has to be some distinction between the case that a foreign word is used without italics/emphasis and the case it is emphasized as something special. Both cases exist, and it would be wrong to not distinguish them aurally. Regards,=09Martin.