Re: Israeli HTML Standard

Moshe Shalom (
Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:30:52 +0300

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From: Moshe Shalom <>
To: "'David Rashty +972-2-6584848'" <RASHTY@WWW4.HUJI.AC.IL>
Cc: Dani Ilan <>, Stefan Fuchs <>,
Cc: Moshe Shalom <>,
Cc: Glenn Adams <>, "" <>,
Cc: Yaniv Feinberg <>,
Cc: Edward Resnick <Edward.Resnick@Israel.Sun.COM>,
Subject: RE: Re: Israeli HTML Standard
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:30:52 +0300


I understand that you got the idea from one of the members of the =
committee that the Visual will not be a "valid option" for the HTML =
standard for Hebrew. It is true in the sense that it will be mentioned =
as an option that exists in the field but is not a part of the standard. =

One of the goals of the committee is to steer to directions that will =
benefit the Israeli public. If all the browsers will comply to the =
logical standard it will be much better for us all. So, we are trying to =
make it happen.=20

This is not to say that the other implementations will be "illegal". =
They will be only "non-standard". People from abroad, people with =
english browsers, etc. will always have the option to use visual if they =
want to. Sites should offer both options if they want people to be happy =
and to cover the maximum of users.

One happy day, in the UNICODE future of things, software coming from the =
states will be able to have logical seamlessly.  Until then we, as the =
Israel Bureau of Standards, should try to give a good framework for the =
future years.

Best Regards,

Moshe Shalom
Internet Manager
Eastronics Ltd.

World Wide Web:

From:  David Rashty +972-2-6584848[SMTP:RASHTY@WWW4.HUJI.AC.IL]
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To:  Dani Ilan; Stefan Fuchs; Israel Ervin Gidali; Nati Guedalia; Gil =
Mor; Mati ALLOUCHE; Moshe Shalom; Yevgenia Palanker; Doron Shikmoni; =
Martin J. Duerst; Francois Yergeau; Gavin Thomas Nicol; Glenn Adams; =; Khaled Sherif; Jeff Rosenschein; Chris Wendt; John =
McConnell; Yaniv Feinberg; Erik van der Poel; Uri Postavsky; Uzzi Ornan; =
Chris Lilley; Mark H. David; Edward Resnick; ILAN Hebrew List; Jonathan =
Subject:  Fwd: Re: Israeli HTML Standard


Most Hebrew web pages in Israel are still using Visual ordering =
This is mainly because the browsers for the Implicit ordering are =
missing ;
Visual is what work best for all. If the standard will not allows using
Visual ordering (ISO-8859-8) as a possibility it mean that only in =
people that have a Hebrew Version of the operating system will be able =
view this pages. Currently there are many people outside Israel who =
Hebrew pages on the web and do not have a Hebrew version of the =

I do agree that Visual ordering of bidirectional text is *not* the best =
to go. However, for the current time until the Unicode standard will be =
dominant and all pages will be using it, the only way to view Hebrew all =
the world is by using the Visual ordering, with all the difficulties =
comes with it.

Most Hebrew web pages use this order not because it is easier to write =
this way but since they are aware of the problems that comes with the =
order. There are some companies in Israel, *with large interest in this
market*  that tries to shift the market to use the Logical order and the =
is that more and more *new* web sites are coming up with the Visual =

I think that the HTML standard *must* include the Visual standard
(ISO-8859-8) as one of the valid options to create HTML pages and =
appose to ignore it.

Sincerely Yours,

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