Re: Some complaints about HTML 4.0

Liam Quinn (liam@htmlhelp.com)
Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:40:39 -0400


Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970714184039.008877b0@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:40:39 -0400
To: www-html@w3.org
From: Liam Quinn <liam@htmlhelp.com>
Subject: Re: Some complaints about HTML 4.0
In-Reply-To: <v03102813aff036b14420@[205.149.180.135]>

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At 01:14 PM 14/07/97 -0700, Walter Ian Kaye wrote:
>At 8:43a -0400 07/14/97, Liam Quinn wrote:
> > At 02:58 PM 14/07/97 +0300, Stephanos Piperoglou wrote:
> > >I'm for non-breaking spaces not collapsing. The correct syllogism is:
> > >
> > >- Only whitespace collapses
> > >- Whitespace is only tabs, spaces and newlines
> > >- &nbsp; is neither tab, space, or newline.
> > >------------------
> > >Ergo, &nbsp; doesn't collapse
> >
> > To me this is the most valid argument made.
>
>That's what I meant to write, honest! :)
>
> > But is there some kind of
> > standard (e.g., ISO 8859-1 or Unicode) that says that whitespace is 
"only
> > tabs, spaces and newlines"?

Even with this argument, I wonder how justifiable it is to argue that the 
non-breaking space is not a space, when it has the word "space" in its 
name.  If it were called the non-breaking transparent glyph... :)

> > >With CSS and CSS positioning there's no reason people will resort
> > >to &nbsp; for creating spaces.
> >
> > They might just because it's HTML and that means they don't have to 
learn
> > CSS.  Look at all the people still using <FONT FACE> and friends.  I 
guess
> > some would justify that based on browser support, but there are people 
who
> > use the BACKGROUND attribute for table cells even though the CSS
> > equivalent is better supported.
>
>Better supported? It's not supported at all in Navigator 3.0, and many 
people
>still use that (because Communicator is a monstrous disk/ram hog).

Navigator 3.0 doesn't support the BACKGROUND attribute of table cells.

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