Re: HTML - i18n / NCR & charsets

Abigail (
Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:26:23 -0500 (EST)

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Subject: Re: HTML - i18n / NCR & charsets
To: (Peter Flynn)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:26:23 -0500 (EST)
From: "Abigail" <>
In-Reply-To: <> from "Peter Flynn" at Nov 30, 96 01:27:34 pm

You, Peter Flynn, wrote:
++    ISO8879 names for Windows CP 1252 80-9F (128-160) entities:
++    83 (131) --   ?   -- florin
++ What's a florin? I know it's the old UK name for what was two
++ shillings, but Bill obviously means something else here.

It's used as the Dutch currency symbol.

++    8B (139) --   ?   -- guilsinglleft
++                &laquo;
++    9B (155) --    ?   -- guilsinglright
++                &raquo;
++    9F (159) -- &Yuml; -- Ydieresis
++ Y diaeresis is a non-existent character, according to the experts on
++ TYPO-L, who have just discussed this in depth. It was included in both
++ ISOlat1 (lc) and ISOlat2 (uc) as well as the IBM pc character sets in
++ the mistaken belief that it actually existed in some language. It was
++ in fact transcribed in error, either from an &ijlig; or something
++ similar by whoever was representing the character sets to Geneva at
++ the time, and no-one was prepared to bite the bullet and say "this
++ does not exist", for fear of being proved wrong, and thus attacked for
++ failing to cater for whatever language was supposed to require
++ it. Various claims have been made for its existence in Dutch, Turkish,
++ and other less populous languages, but none of these have been
++ demonstrated.

It's not a letter in Dutch, but a ligature for i and j. In fact, it is
so common that many people think ydieresis is a single letter, and in
phonebooks, "ij" is sorted between "y". Dutch typewrites have a key for
ydieresis (often with florin on the shift part). That is of course
in small letters. Capitalized, it is IJ, without dots.