Re: HTML - i18n / NCR & charsets

Walter Ian Kaye (
Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:17:01 -0800

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:17:01 -0800
From: Walter Ian Kaye <>
Subject: Re: HTML - i18n / NCR & charsets

At 6:03a +0100 11/27/96, Drazen Kacar wrote:
>Walter Ian Kaye wrote:
>> Not sure what "existing practice" is, or is expected to be, but if a person
>> is using a certain charset specified via HTTP (or <meta http-equiv=...>),
>> then why would numeric charrefs be needed in the first place? The only
>> possible reason would be to include characters in Latin-1 or Unicode, since
>> the page would already have all characters in the specified charset
>> Thus, usage of NCRs for a non-Unicode/Latin1 charset makes no sense, and any
>> such pages deserve to break. :-)
>But you didn't consider cheesy little editors (I don't mean Emacs).
>They will do it for you.

Or "to" you? <G>

>On Windows, in particular. When you're not using
>Latin 1, they will assume you do, because, what else could you be using?
>And they will insert entities, tons of them. Some of them will be in the
>128-159 range. These will be numeric, others will be simbolic.

Well, that's not an "existing practice" problem, that's software bugs which
should be reported to the developers of those..uh.."cheesy little" editors.

>Thus, usage of HTML editors makes no sense, and their authors deserve to
>break a leg. >:)

How about a "certification" service of some sort, to award a "badge" to
those editors which output valid HTML? (There won't be too many awards!)

All 50 of the pages on my site are hand-coded. 3 pages contain discrete
chunks of generated code (for calendars and guitar chords), that's it.
And the HTML generators I use were written by *me*, so I can put my total
trust in the validity of their output! :-)

    Walter Ian Kaye <>     Programmer - Excel, AppleScript,
          Mountain View, CA                         ProTERM, FoxPro, HTML     Musician - Guitarist, Songwriter