Re: Comments on Cougar DTD (fwd)

MegaZone (megazone@livingston.com)
Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:07:09 -0700 (PDT)


Message-Id: <199607180007.RAA23504@server.livingston.com>
Subject: Re: Comments on Cougar DTD (fwd)
To: www-html@w3.org
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:07:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: MegaZone <megazone@livingston.com>

Once upon a time Arnoud "Galactus" Engelfriet shaped the electrons to say...
>May I add that we mark FONT and CENTER as deprecated, and remove the
>FACE attribute for FONT altogether? With the support for style sheets

Why?
1. I will still argue that FONT as in the DTD is not bad - some 
implementations are poor.  The main complaint about it has been the color
setting that doesn't get turned off when the user selects their own 
settings - this is implementation.  The ability to set the size and color
in the document itself with FONT is very nice, and very simple.  The same
could be done with style sheets - but why force everyone to use CSS when
they don't need the complexity?  I am loathe to try and teach CSS to all
the people here doing little things for the web, while most of them 
understand FONT just fine.
2. CENTER is *way* too widespread to ever leave the spec, why bother
deprecating it when it is just the same thing as <div align=center> anyway.
Is there some problem with having an alias like that?
3. You *never* just drop tags from one release to the next - dropping
features is an extreme evil and you will get a backlash from it.  And your
argument for dropping it is weak - so what if CSS is around?  Just because
there is another way to alter the font doesn't mean it obsoletes FACE.  
Again, CSS is unintuitive to a great many users.


>I would be very surprised if popular browsers would interpret
><UL PLAIN> as <UL TYPE=plain> and render an unbulleted list.

So would I - but I'd still like the PLAIN variation even if it means
<UL type=plain>

>> 6. Any reason why certain elements don't have %attrs; in the ATTLIST?
>>    Examples: ADDRESS (can't do <address class=signature>?), DIR, MENU,
>>    IMG (can't specify image size via style sheets?)
>ALL block elements should have those attributes, including ALIGN and
>CLASS.

Agreed.

-MZ
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