Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:49:10 -0400 From: Ka-Ping Yee <email@example.com> Subject: Re: <FIG> implies <P>? To: "Daniel W. Connolly" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: Mike Meyer <email@example.com>, firstname.lastname@example.org In-Reply-To: <199507131625.MAA07293@beach.w3.org> Message-Id: <Pine.3.87.9507190210.B31086email@example.com> Ka-Ping Yee wrote: >Understood. But this doesn't mean that functionality should be >*removed* from FIG. It just seems very strange to me that this extra >limitation exist, purely as a limitation that to me yields no observable >advantage. Other people have pointed out the problems with the content of <FIG> when it is allowed to be arbitrarily embedded in other places. I hadn't realized this when i wrote the original message, and now understand that it can't work that way. Daniel W. Connolly wrote: > Hmm... my view is that there is functionality (alternate-media > presentation) missing from <IMG>, not missing from <FIG> (the > ability to display a fig in a para). That IMG is missing functionality (and also is misnamed...) is pretty clear to me... it's a shame. Ka-Ping Yee wrote: >But this does not mean we should remove the ability of an author to >*suggest* where a <fig> can appear. [...] >My point is that it often makes more sense for a figure to relate to >the text (not the same as being incorporated into the text like an IMG) >than to stand on its own. > During the white-board discussion that Dave and I had, we discussed > this sort of thing, including the way FrameMaker allows you to > align figures all sorts of fancy ways with respect to the paragraph > in which they're anchored. > > We considered the possibility of expressing the above situation as: > > <p>The bond angle between the two oxygen-hydrogen > bonds in water is slightly larger than that > between two carbon-hydrogen bonds in methane > (see <a href="fig1">figure 1</a>)<spot id=fig1anchor>. This > is due to the two extra pairs of free electrons around the > oxygen atom, which take up more space than the bound > pairs.</p> > > <fig src="molecules.jpg" id="fig1" align="right" at="fig1anchor"> > figure 1 shows models of CO2 and H2O molecules > </fig> > > This way, the content models aren't changed: <FIG> is still a > peer of <P>. But the <spot> element allows the author to suggest > where the figure should be anchored in the paragraph. > > Do you think that would work? That's a great solution! It still communicates the connection between the figure and the text, while avoiding problems with <FIG> content. Moreover, it's actually *better* than what i had in mind: it's better to describe this connection with a real REFerence, rather than hint at it by hoping the figure is displayed in the paragraph. It has the unusual side-effect that it gives people the ability to make the substitute text for a FIG appear anywhere they like (perhaps nowhere near the figure at all). There is potential for abuse here i suppose, but i think that this ability is probably necessary. It likely wouldn't be too hard to imagine a case where it was. I'm impressed. ^_^ Ping (Ka-Ping Yee): 2B Computer Engineering, University of Waterloo, Canada firstname.lastname@example.org | 62A Churchill St, Waterloo N2L 2X2, 519 886-3947 CWSF 89, 90, 92; LIYSF 90, 91; Shad Valley 92; DOE 93; IMO 91, 93; ACMIPC 94 :: Skuld :: Tendou Akane :: Belldandy :: Ayukawa Madoka :: Hayakawa Moemi :: New! <http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/kryee/> Yeah, i finally made a home page.