Re: <PAGE> proposal

BearHeart / Bill Weinman (BearHeart@bearnet.com)
Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:52:31 -0600


Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:52:31 -0600
Message-Id: <199512230052.SAA03974@primus.paranoia.com>
To: www-html@w3.org
From: BearHeart / Bill Weinman <BearHeart@bearnet.com>
Subject: Re: <PAGE> proposal


>The pointless kludge may in fact be an answer, a Mike Meyer surmised.
>Consider <DIV CLASS="Paged">...</DIV>. The semantics of the "paged" CLASS 
>is that only one DIV is considered "viewable" at any time, i.e. as long 
>as some part of a DIV is "visible", no other DIV segment should be.  

   The reason I call <DIV> a pointless kluge (I looked up the spelling 
in the Jargon file--boy am I embarassed!) is that it's only reason for 
existance seems to be to patch up the deficient behavior of other tags. 

   There's no functional difference between, say . . . 

      (this is the example of <div> from the html3 docs at w3.org)

      <DIV CLASS=Abstract> <P>text </DIV> 

      and 

      <P CLASS=Abstract> text </P>

   or 

      <DIV ALIGN=RIGHT><IMG SRC="foo.gif"></DIV>

      and 

      <IMG SRC="foo.gif" ALIGN=RIGHT>

   The only reason I can see for <DIV>'s existance is to do stuff 
like:  <DIV CLEAR=LEFT><IMG SRC="foo.gif"></DIV> since there's no 
"clear" attribute in <IMG>. It seems to me that it would make a 
lot more sense to fix the broken tags then to add a kluge. 

   Why can't <IMG> have a "clear" attribute? (then Netscape wouldn't 
have had to kluge the ALIGN attribute!) Why can't people learn to use 
<P> as a container (besides the fact that many browsers still don't 
implement it right <g>)? 

   So if you think the CLASS attribute would work for this, that's 
fine . . . but why not have a <PAGE> tag for it, instead of further 
patching a kluge to fix another deficiency in the definition. 


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