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Re: Formal Response to My issue on styling embedding attributes. (PR#7655)

From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:40:27 -0500
Message-ID: <429785BB.8010305@aptest.com>
To: Jim Ley <jim.ley@gmail.com>
CC: www-html-editor@w3.org

Jim Ley wrote:

>Dear HTML Editor
>I note from the issue tracker that my issue 7655
><URL: http://hades.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/EmbeddingAttrs?id=7655 >
>Claims to have been rejected, I have recieved no formal response to
>this issue, can you please re-send the response and archive it on this
>list where it is appropriate.
I have done so.

>I do not know why it was rejected (or how it can be approved and
>implemented and rejected at the same time, but understand that is an
>artifact of the issue tracker) 
The "state" field is the state of the item, which starts out as "open" 
and goes through a life cycle that completes with "closed".  "Approved 
and Implemented" means that the working group approved a resolution, and 
that resolution was implemented in the draft (or no changes were 
necessary).  In any event, it means the working group is done with the 
issue.  Once the next formal draft is sent out, all "Approved and 
Implemented" issues are migrated to "Closed".

>however from the note:
>"We understand that fallbacks might have different sizes. This is really an
>issue for the author. The flexibility far outweighs the risk that things will
>render in unpredictable ways. "
>I would say that this response is unacceptable to me, the mark-up does
>not give authors sufficient expressibility to take care of this,
>consider the original example:
><table src="temperature-graph.png" type="image/png" id="weather">
><caption>Average monthly temperature over the last 20
>    <th>Jul</th><th>Aug</th><th>Sep</th><th>Oct</th><th>Nov</th><th>Dec</th>
><tr><td> 4</td><td> 2</td><td>
>    <td>17</td><td>17</td><td>14</td><td>11</td><td>
>7</td><td> 4</td>
><!-- 19 more rows for the other 19 years>
>there is no way to provide a stylesheet that addresses the two cases,
>the image requires:
>#weather: height:200px;width:500px;
>and the table requires:
>#weather { border:1px solid black; }
>#weather tr {background-color:black;color:white; border:1px solid red; }
>#weather td {background-color:#ccc;color:black; border:1px solid red; }
>The markup does not provide sufficient expressibility to achieve this.
> There is no way the user can use this feature and achieve sufficient
>I therefore reject the resolution, although once I recieve a copy of
>the original formal response rather than just being able to read a
>note, the situation may be clarified for me.
The note comprises what there is of a formal response to this issue.   I 
have recorded your disagreement with this response.

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