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<NOFRAMES> in HTML 4.0 draft

From: Peter Thomson <Peter.Thomson@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:55:14 +0100
Message-Id: <199709111456.KAA18515@www10.w3.org>
To: www-html-editor@w3.org
The working draft seems to be a little confused about the function of 
<NOFRAMES>. It is being given two distinct functions - as a block 
level element within <BODY> and as an element within a <FRAMESET>. 

The examples given for this element show it being used as a block 
level element which causes its content to be hidden when displayed 
within a frame. This is clearly a useful facility. 

However, the examples also show a document with a <FRAMESET> followed 
by a <BODY>, and it is stated at the start of the frames page that 

> A document with frames has a HEAD, a FRAMESET, and an optional BODY.

In fact this is not allowed by the DTD - see the definition of the 
HTML element. The description of the BODY element more accurately 
reflects the DTD:

> Documents that contain framesets replace the BODY element by the
> FRAMESET element.

In fact the only way I can see that the DTD provides to construct a 
frameset document with non-frames alternate content is to nest <BODY> 
within <NOFRAMES> within <FRAMESET>. 

This strikes me as clumsy and illogical. I think it is what was
originally suggested by Netscape, and so perhaps should be
permissible, but it should not be the only way to do it. I would
like to see the DTD amended to allow both <FRAMESET> and <BODY> to
be present, with the understanding that frames-capable agents would
not then display the <BODY> content. The usage of <NOFRAMES> within 
<FRAMESET> seems to be a conceptual contradiction and could perhaps 
be deprecated.

Peter Thomson
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