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Re: Preparing to launch the Forms Task Force ...

From: Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:53:36 +0000 (GMT)
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: public-html@w3.org, www-forms@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121750130.5334@localhost>

Ian,

Whilst we might end up at that starting point, it is very important 
for consensus building to start from the use cases and assumptions 
and to ensure that all participants have a shared vocabulary. That 
might sound like wasted time to some, but experience shows that it 
saves time in the long run.

  Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Ian Hickson wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Dave Raggett wrote:
>>
>> As a starting point, the Task Force would be expected to collect use
>> cases and assumptions, followed by work on the basic design choices that
>> flow from them.
>
> Wouldn't a better starting point for a forms task force be to build on the
> work of the Web Application Formats working group? Art (the chair of that
> group) has already proposed that this group take over publication of their
> document, which is currently a W3C WD document.
>
> I would recommend that the forms task force continue this earlier W3C work
> and lead the document to Last Call.
>
>
>> Whilst it might seem easier to start from a detailed proposal and to
>> discuss tweaks to that, we are more likely to end up with a concensus
>> across the wide variety of experience and opinions in the two working
>> groups if we start by building a shared vocabulary and a common
>> grounding in the use cases and assumptions.
>
> To get from use cases to the proposal the WAF has suggested we work on
> took the better of three years of heavy work. Given that we have to reach
> REC by 2010 (according to our charter), which includes shipping "multiple
> independent complete and interoperable" "widely used" implementations, I
> humbly suggest that a more practical approach would be to start with
> something that already has native shipping experimental implementations in
> actual browsers, and which already has a spec nearly complete.
>
> I do not believe there is any way we could reach REC by 2010 if we started
> collecting _use cases_ today.
>
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