xforms:output - should value and ref/bind be mutally exclusive?

Hi Adrian,

Regarding your email 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2006Aug/0009.html,

the working group did consider your email at the September face to face 
meeting.  I apologize for not getting back to you sooner, but the working 
group felt that the answer to your question required me to divulge 
information that the W3C management indicated was confidential regarding 
the rechartering process for the Forms Working Group.

The working group acknowledges that it is slightly more painful to be 
required to place a group element around an output in order to change the 
context node for the value attribute or to obtain model item properties of 
a node whilst also setting the value to be something different. 

It was resolved that it might be nice to have ref and value working 
together, but the workaround of using a group is not difficult and that 
issues of simplifying the syntax are being considered as part of the 
XForms 1.2 and XForms transitional work (the latter of which was the part 
we did not feel we had the permission of W3C mgmt to discuss at the time).

Your issues has now been added to the future features section of the 
working group's wiki.

Best regards,
John M. Boyer, Ph.D.
STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher
Chair, W3C Forms Working Group
Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
IBM Victoria Software Lab
E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com 

Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer