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Re: AJAX vs. Xforms

From: Vincent Berger <vincent.berger@afp.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:34:37 +0100
To: Caroline Jarrett <caroline.jarrett@effortmark.co.uk>
Cc: www-forms@w3.org
Message-Id: <1130927677.29596.246.camel@genepi>
Hi Caroline.

Le lundi 31 octobre 2005 à 17:31 +0000, Caroline Jarrett a écrit :

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm a longtime lurker on the list, and now I feel it's time to break 
> silence to comment on this:
> >
> > People are not so stupid. They know how to install plugins.
> >
> 
> It's not a question of stupidity. Here are some reasons why plugins 
> are a barrier:
> 
> 1. Many corporates and other large organisations have policies about 
> plugins. You could get fired for installing something that isn't 
> approved.


In such organisation you're not allowed to go on the real world of
Internet, I think.

More over, if the big chief of policies accepts javascript and refuse
plugins (Ajax vs XForms) , he should
be fired !
or I don't understood what you mean behind the word policies.



> 
> 2. Many of us understand plugins all too well. We know exactly how 
> they work and we choose not to engage with them.


I have to check that. I don't know exactly in fact. What is the
problem ? (regarding javascript of course).


> 
> 3. But there is a huge, huge group of users out there who are by no 
> means stupid but their expertise lies in topics other than computing 
> and the Internet. Example: my dad. He's got an MA and PhD. He's 
> retired from two demanding, intellectual careers. He's not stupid and 
> he's not ignorant, but he's got no idea whatsover about plugins or 
> installing them and would need to call me for help. And it's not just 
> seniors. Example: my sister. She also has two degrees and a demanding 
> job at a university. She uses all sorts of technology every day but 
> she doesn't mess with it. She'd also have to call me for help.


Sorry for my ambiguous sentence. Our world (family, friend) is
resembling in fact.
I said that they're not stupid because in their "how to manual" it's
written... "if you can't
do it on your own, call you'r favorite computer specialist (in the
family, friends, ...)".

And, I'm quiet sure that, if someone doesn't know how to install
plugins, he/she doesn't
know how to plug all that awful heap of wires behind the UC, install the
games he saw in the neighborhood,
launch the DVD/Divx player, and above all, connect to the ISP !!!
With computer, you can't do something whithout a specialist, (or
spending lot of nights on it)


> 
> If Xforms is only for people in small organisations or individuals, 
> who don't care what they put on their computers, and who are skilled 
> programmers: then we have a big problem.


And in a opposite view, If some people are against open standard
specifications, (XForms is one of them)
then we have a big problem.

Best Regards.
vinzo

-- 
Vincent Berger <vincent.berger@afp.com>
Agence France-Presse

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