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RE: Is the browser support for XForms all that critical?

From: Mark Seaborne <MSeaborne@origoservices.com>
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:00:40 +0100
Message-ID: <DC65AE678B89004B9CCB202E19482CC7482434@mail.origoservices.local>
To: "Dmitri Khanine" <Dmitri.Khanine@sympatico.ca>, <www-forms@w3.org>

Dmitri,

There is a good selection of server-side implementations of XForms other than Chiba. For example:

Oracle (both client and server-side support): http://otn.oracle.com/tech/wireless/mobilebrowser.htm

Novell (server-side support, client-side coming soon): http://www.novell.com/products/extend/

Orbeon: http://www.orbeon.com/oxf/doc/index

FormFaces: http://www.formfaces.com/main.jsp

X-Toolbox: http://www.hico.com (German language only at the moment - I think)

This list is not exhaustive, but gives a flavour of what is available.

All the best

Mark

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dmitri Khanine [mailto:Dmitri.Khanine@sympatico.ca] 
> Sent: 30 May 2004 05:39
> To: Gerald Bauer; www-forms@w3.org
> Cc: Mark Seaborne
> Subject: Is the browser support for XForms all that critical?
> 
> Hello Everyone
> 
> I am a newbie to this list so let me ask a silly question: 
> Why the lack of XForms support by the web browser vendors 
> seen as a showstopper?
> 
> Let's cosider public internet. Your user has full control 
> over her web browser. Any information coming from "IE 6.0" 
> may have actually been generated by the perl script etc. If 
> it comes form the client - it can not be trusted. If I run my 
> XForms engine on the client machine, the XML being posted to 
> the server needs to be further validated. Do I need to have 
> yet another XForms engine on the server?
> 
> What happaned to the idea of coexisting with established 
> technologies? Full server side XForms implementation where 
> conventional HTML and JavaScript is generated out of the 
> XHTML template and served to the client requires no 
> modifications to the client's browser whatsoever. This 
> approach also follows the security guidelines where the only 
> mission of the client-side validation is to provide feedback 
> to the user and is duplicated on the server as only the 
> server-side code is reliable.
> 
> I was able to find only one fully functional XForms 
> server-side engine - the Chiba project. If there is more - 
> please help me find out. Maybe Microsoft will endorse XForms 
> when they see an industry-standard secure and robust XForms 
> engine for .Net platform....
> 
> 
> Dmitri Khanine,
> Sr. Developer,
> Royal Bank Of Canada
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald Bauer" <luxorxul@yahoo.ca>
> To: <www-forms@w3.org>
> Cc: "Mark Seaborne" <mseaborne@origoservices.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: WWW2004 XForms Talk Slides by Steven Pemberton Now Online
> 
> 
> >
> > Hello Mark,
> >
> > > How many browsers directly support Flash, or PDF for
> > > example?
> >
> >   Well, my point was that the W3C is supposed to bring
> > together browser vendors/project and lead the web to
> > its full potential.
> >
> >   However, it looks like the W3C is increasingly
> > irrelevant. If the W3C can't unite the browser
> > vendors, who can? Why doesn't the W3C lobby harder?
> > Why doesn't the W3C publish, for example, the
> > roadmaps/positions of browser vendors such as
> > Microsoft, Apple, Opera, Mozilla, etc?
> >
> >   As everybody can see the secret backroom dealing is
> > getting us nowhere and the rich internet for everyone
> > will be lost.
> >
> > > Are web based polls the next big thing? Maybe we
> > > should run a poll to find out.
> >
> >   They surely help to find out how popular something
> > is. And I'm sorry if you can't deal with the results
> > that tell you that XForms is irrelevant.
> >
> >   Why not put up your own poll and see if you come to
> > a different conclusion.
> >
> >    - Gerald
> >
> > -------------------
> > Gerald Bauer
> > Open XUL Alliance - A Rich Internet For Everyone |
> > http://xul.sourceforge.net
> >
> > 
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> 
> 
Received on Monday, 31 May 2004 05:20:33 GMT

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