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RE: Sources for possible selections and actual data

From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@x-port.net>
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:07:21 +0100
To: "'Victor'" <engmark-usenet@orakel.ntnu.no>
Cc: <www-forms@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001e01c4392e$48a75060$0a01a8c0@W100>

Hi Victor,

> I am trying to get the possible choices for a select1 statement
> from one instance, and the actual values of the selects from a
> different instance. The problem is, in Chiba, the latter is
> ignored, and all select boxes show only the first alternative.

There are three problems here. The first is that in your code you have
nested the second xf:bind within the first:

> <xf:bind id="job-bind" nodeset="job">
> 	<xf:bind id="jobResult-bind" nodeset="result"/>

(I assume there is a closing </xf:bind> that you have snipped. If there
isn't, then this is invalid XML anyway, all of the following is irrelevant,
and you just need to fix your mark-up be stopping this being a nested bind!)

Nested binds *are* allowed, but the nodeset of the nested bind you have
specified would be:


which I assume is not what you want.

The second problem is that a nested bind is supposed to iterate over the
nodeset produced by its parent, and this causes problems if you try to label
the nested bind. For example, if you have:

  <bind id="b1" nodeset="x" />

it is obvious that the nodeset "b1" represents a nodeset of all x nodes. If
you then nest a bind:

  <bind id="b1" nodeset="x">
    <bind nodeset="y" readonly="true()" />

it is also obvious that we want the readonly MIP to be true for all:


However, consider the following instance data:

    <y />
    <y />
    <y />
    <y />
    <y />
    <y />

If you concatenate the two @nodeset values together (the parent bind and the
nested bind) you get the XPath expression:


which will correctly find all 'y' nodes that are children of 'x' nodes. In
our above bind statements, this will set them all to readonly.

In other words this construct:

  <bind nodeset="x">
    <bind nodeset="y" readonly="true()" />

is equivalent to this:

  <bind nodeset="x/y" readonly="true()" />

However, nested binds are not about simply concatenating the XPath
statements. The following is valid, for example:

  <bind id="b1" nodeset="x" relevant="false()">
    <bind nodeset="y" readonly="true()" />

which shows that you have to iterate the nested nodeset 'y', across each
iteration of the parent nodeset 'x'. If you don't, then not all 'x' nodes
will be set correctly.

I would suggest checking whatever implementations you use for your projects
to ensure that this is how they work. If you are producing forms that should
run on a number of processors then you would be best to avoid labelling your
nested binds.

However, even if you sort this out, not all implementations will behave as
you expect - the third problem! - since the exact behaviour of an
xf:select(1) that takes its selection choices from one instance and places
the result in another is still being debated on the Working Group. Our
formsPlayer implementation does allow this, but we did have to a little
shuffling to make this work, so the WG is just trying to ensure that the
current implementations are all agreed on how it should be done.

I'm not sure if that helps you, but at least you know what the issues are!



Mark Birbeck
x-port.net Ltd.

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Received on Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:07:34 UTC

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