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RE: external model

From: Chalker, Dean <Dean.Chalker@intelliwhere.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:27:43 +1000
Message-ID: <6531CA1821DF74488DAE5C54020F8C580A578C@bofs.ingr-ap.com>
To: www-forms@w3.org


Hi Micah,

XML Include would not work for me, because what I think I need to do is
include a fragment of an external document, rather than the whole document.


Dean

>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Micah Dubinko [mailto:MDubinko@cardiff.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2003 11:22 AM
>  To: 'Matthias Kind'; 'Chalker, Dean'
>  Cc: www-forms@w3.org
>  Subject: RE: external model
>  
>  
>  
>  Would XML Include meet your needs for an external model? Why 
>  or why not?
>  
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude/
>  
>  .micah
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Matthias Kind [mailto:mkind@dstc.edu.au]
>  Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:45 PM
>  To: 'Chalker, Dean'
>  Cc: www-forms@w3.org
>  Subject: RE: external model
>  
>  
>  
>  Hi Dean and Others,
>  
>  the feature that you can refer to an external instance data is quite
>  helpful. But I was actually looking for something where the 
>  *entire* model
>  can be defined in an external file, which than can be used 
>  together with
>  different user interface implementations. 
>  
>  Such as depicted on the XForms homepage 
>  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/
>  under section "What are XForms?". You define your model just 
>  once and than
>  you can plug it into different presentation documents, such 
>  as XHTML, WML,
>  SVG, etc. 
>  
>  Ok, from a logical point of view it works this way right 
>  now. But when it
>  comes down to implement a model into XHTML, the model 
>  definition must be
>  'hard coded' into that document. If you wanna use the same 
>  model with SVG,
>  it has to be 'hard coded' into that document as well. If 
>  there's a change in
>  the model, you would have to change it in 2 documents. :-(
>  
>  So is there any way to refer to an entire model (not just 
>  the instance data)
>  that is outside the actual presentation document?
>  
>  cheers,
>  Matthias
>  
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Chalker, Dean [mailto:Dean.Chalker@intelliwhere.com] 
>  Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 9:23 AM
>  To: 'Matthias Kind'
>  
>  
>  Hi Matthias,
>  
>  I'm an xforms newbie, but I thought I'd make a response 
>  anyway.  Perhaps it
>  will trigger some discussion from the gurus :-)
>  
>  I don't know about a external mode, but you can get external 
>  instances with
>  the instance src attribute.  This may be what you want, 
>  since it leaves the
>  submission and bind elements with the form description, 
>  which is probably
>  where you want them.
>  
>      <xforms:model>
>          <xforms:instance src="some-URI"/>
>          ...
>      </xforms:model>
>  
>  
>  However, there seems to be no way to point to an external 
>  fragment, rather
>  than an entire document.  The application that I am thinking 
>  about would
>  benefit from a single XML instance document with a "library" 
>  of XForm forms
>  for viewing/editing fragments from the common document.  
>  Perhaps something
>  like:
>  
>      <xforms:model>
>          <xforms:instance src="some-URI"
>  ref="xpath-description-of-instance-fragment"/>
>          ...
>      </xforms:model>
>  
>  Dean
>  
>  
>  
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: Matthias Kind [mailto:mkind@dstc.edu.au]
>  >  Sent: Monday, 8 September 2003 2:54 PM
>  >  To: www-forms@w3.org
>  >  Subject: external model
>  >  
>  >  
>  >  
>  >  Hi there,
>  >  
>  >  is there a way, to specify a complete xforms model in an  
>  external 
>  > file and  just refering to it? So that, for example, a 
>  hosting XHTML  
>  > document only  would need to implement the XForms UI 
>  components and 
>  > just  contain a link to  the model?
>  >  
>  >  I was thinking of something like that: (as linking to an external
>  >  stylesheet)
>  >  
>  >  ...
>  >  <head>
>  >    ...
>  >    <link id="myModel" href="myModel.xml" type="text/xml" 
>  >  rel="subsection" />
>  >    ...
>  >  </head>
>  >  <body>
>  >    ...
>  >    <xform:input model="myModel" ref="/data/test">
>  >      <xforms:label>Enter test data<xforms:label>
>  >    </xforms:input>
>  >    ...
>  >  </body>
>  >  ...
>  >  
>  >  Any ideas?
>  >  
>  >  cheers,
>  >  Matthias
>  >  
>  
Received on Monday, 15 September 2003 21:28:59 GMT

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