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RE: Combining bind and event?

From: Jim Wissner <jim@jbrix.org>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:39:52 -0400
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To: "Dan Dennedy" <DDennedy@digitalbang.com>, "Amir Yiron" <AYiron@store-age.com>, "XForms (E-mail)" <www-forms@w3.org>

At 09:57 AM 7/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> > From: Amir Yiron
> >
> > p.s. I can't find XForms examples that are more than very
> > simple! I'll be glad to have links to complex XForms
> > examples, even complete pages/applications. It's the only way
> > to get a real understanding!
>I believe you are expecting too much.XForms is not even a W3C
>Recommendation, and XForms technology implementations are immature.

He's not expecting too much.  If a spec like this is being developed with 
out more realistic examples than the ones we see, I would be 
frightened.  But rest assured the companies backing this spec that have 
commercial products related to xforms have worked out very elaborate and 
sophisticated examples. I guarantee it.  You just don't expend this much 
time and energy creating and fine-tuning a spec of this degree without 
doing that. Unfortunately, it doesn't mean we get the benefit of their 
xforms R&D, beyond the spec itself.

>I honestly do not appreciate the number of X-Smiles' specific how-to
>questions in this mailing list. There is an X-Smiles mailing list:

True enough, it helps when question are posted through the proper channels.

>I consider the "only way to get a real understanding" at this point is
>to work on an implementation yourself.

As someone working on an implementation, I can tell you that more 
sophisticated examples would be *enormously* helpful.  It is wrong to 
assume or imply that because someone wants better examples, that they have 
somehow not put honest time and effort into an understanding of the 
spec.  I've been programming many, many years, and even after all this 
time, I find that programming "by example" is often invaluable.  This case 
is no different.  To see how different kinds of scenarios are marked up, it 
is helpful to see real examples.

Anyway, point is, for those of us who see value in xforms, complete real 
examples would be great.


>You should check out some of the
>open source implementations listed at
>if you are not interested in developing your own.


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