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RE: Other controls ? Grid ?

From: Dan Dennedy <DDennedy@digitalbang.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:47:41 -0500
Message-ID: <C96072E096CC0D4EA606C1119F51858A01DB73@intrabang01.digitalbang.com>
To: "Kit Davies" <KDavies@categoric.com>, "DESEYNE Jacques" <jacques.deseyne@swift.com>, <www-forms@w3.org>
A grid is essentially a table. A table can be as little as a single
column, also known as a list. Are you implying that lists are unusable
in diverse environments? I believe what you are describing is a design
or implementation issue, and not an issue with the paradigm of
information presented in a tabular manner. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kit Davies [mailto:KDavies@categoric.com]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:19 AM
To: 'DESEYNE Jacques'; www-forms@w3.org
Subject: RE: Other controls ? Grid ?



Jacques, 

I work for a company writing software which communicates with users over
a wide range of devices/channels. Grids are great for fairly large
visual interfaces, but I find their use becomes more difficult the
smaller the visual area gets. Plus they are completely unusable when
working with non-visual interfaces (voice browsers, etc) which were also
part of the XForms remit.

Modularised XHTML is a better bet. This allows the minimum capabilities
required by a browser to be stated in a form. Then a user/browser can
pick the one best suited for the device, using grids if possible, or
some other design if not.

Kit 

-----Original Message----- 
From: DESEYNE Jacques [ mailto:jacques.deseyne@swift.com
<mailto:jacques.deseyne@swift.com> ] 
Sent: 01 February 2002 08:46 
To: www-forms@w3.org 
Subject: Other controls ? Grid ? 


All, 
From my lecture of the current Last Call draft (I've discovered XForms
only very recently), it would seem that an XForms specification is not
really intended to provide a framework for generic User Interfaces. It
lacks several controls commonly found in widely-used GUI "foundation
classes". 

Among other things, one 'control' we frequently need is a kind of grid
or table, to present a set of tuples. In principle, it would be possible
to mimic a grid by repeat structures, but the appearance and behaviour
will be slightly different, in the best case. Of course, one could
always envision to make her/his own non-standard extensions... 

Maybe I am missing something and I should apologise for not having read
some requirements document, but what was the motivation to limit the
defined controls to more or less what is already available in HTML forms
? 

Best regards, 
-- 
Jacques Deseyne 
Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (S.W.I.F.T.)

SWIFTAlliance WebStation Development Team - IT/Interfaces 
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