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Re: [svg-developers] SVG/XForms Profile - Status?

From: T. V. Raman <tvraman@almaden.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:58 -0700
Message-ID: <15717.23026.170448.562685@bubbles.almaden.ibm.com>
To: AndrewWatt2001@aol.com
Cc: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, www-forms@w3.org, xforms@yahoogroups.com


we did have a grid in the dim distant past.

We dont do such things in XForms because it's better provided by the
host language .e.g. XHTML providing tables.

Doing this has the advantage of not proscribing a certain level of
rendering capability in an XForms host,
i.e. if you're light weight agent not capable of rendering tables,
xforms are not closed to you;
at the same time it avoids reinventing things in XForms that other
host languages already provide.
AndrewWatt2001@aol.com writes:
 > In a message dated 22/08/2002 15:49:13 GMT Daylight Time, 
 > Rick.Bullotta@lighthammer.com writes:
 > 
 > 
 > > Does anyone know if the XForms WG has considered a "grid" or "table" Form
 > > object?  The first release seems to be only a parallel of HTML form 
 > > objects.
 > > The selectable grid was always the glaringly missing component (and a must
 > > have for any heavy duty forms applications).  Easy enough to render in SVG,
 > > also... ;>
 > > 
 > > Rick Bullotta
 > > CTO
 > > Lighthammer Software (www.lighthammer.com)
 > > 
 > > -----Original Message-----
 > > From: Dean Jackson [mailto:dino@grorg.org]On Behalf Of Dean Jackson
 > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:41 AM
 > > To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
 > > Cc: www-forms@w3.org; www-svg@w3.org; XForms@yahoogroups.com
 > > Subject: Re: [svg-developers] SVG/XForms Profile - Status?
 > > 
 > > 
 > >   On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, AndrewWatt2001@aol.com wrote:
 > > 
 > >   > I was wondering if anyone is in a position to say what the status of a
 > >   > possible XForms/SVG Profile currently is.
 > >   >
 > >   > One reason I ask is that XForms has just entered a "pre-Candidate
 > >   > Recommendation general tidy up" (my term) phase - see
 > >   > http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-xforms-20020821/
 > >   >
 > >   > With SVG 1.1 currently at CR stage - see
 > >   > http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/CR-SVG11-20020430/, it seems practical to
 > > consider
 > >   > the synergy of XForms and SVG and whether and how an SVG/XForms Profile
 > >   > should be developed.
 > >   >
 > >   > I have had a look for any sign of public W3C documents relating to such
 > > a
 > >   > profile but failed to find any so far.
 > > 
 > >   There aren't any yet, but the SVG WG is committed to examine the
 > >   integration of SVG and XForms. Here is an extract from the
 > >   SVG WG charter:
 > > 
 > >   [[[
 > > 
 > >   The principal request is greater integration with other W3C
 > >   specifications, such as XForms (to allow SVG form controls); ...
 > > 
 > >   Coordination with the XForms Working Group will ensure that SVG will
 > >   be usable as a rich presentation layer for XForms, allowing
 > >   integration of form controls in SVG graphics.
 > > 
 > >   ]]]
 > > 
 > >   The SVG Working Group has spent a lot of time looking at
 > >   XForms integration recently. I can't say when you'll see something,
 > >   but it shouldn't be too long.
 > > 
 > >   Dean
 > 
 > Rick,
 > 
 > The current version of the XForms WD is at 
 > http://www.w3.org/TR/XForms
 > 
 > I am copying this to the XForms lists so someone can perhaps respond to you 
 > directly about the background discussions to the current draft.
 > 
 > Andrew Watt
 > <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 22/08/2002 15:49:13 GMT Daylight Time, Rick.Bullotta@lighthammer.com writes:<BR>
 > <BR>
 > <BR>
 > <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does anyone know if the XForms WG has considered a "grid" or "table" Form<BR>
 > object?&nbsp; The first release seems to be only a parallel of HTML form objects.<BR>
 > The selectable grid was always the glaringly missing component (and a must<BR>
 > have for any heavy duty forms applications).&nbsp; Easy enough to render in SVG,<BR>
 > also... ;&gt;<BR>
 > <BR>
 > Rick Bullotta<BR>
 > CTO<BR>
 > Lighthammer Software (www.lighthammer.com)<BR>
 > <BR>
 > -----Original Message-----<BR>
 > From: Dean Jackson [mailto:dino@grorg.org]On Behalf Of Dean Jackson<BR>
 > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:41 AM<BR>
 > To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com<BR>
 > Cc: www-forms@w3.org; www-svg@w3.org; XForms@yahoogroups.com<BR>
 > Subject: Re: [svg-developers] SVG/XForms Profile - Status?<BR>
 > <BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, AndrewWatt2001@aol.com wrote:<BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; I was wondering if anyone is in a position to say what the status of a<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; possible XForms/SVG Profile currently is.<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt;<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; One reason I ask is that XForms has just entered a "pre-Candidate<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; Recommendation general tidy up" (my term) phase - see<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-xforms-20020821/<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt;<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; With SVG 1.1 currently at CR stage - see<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/CR-SVG11-20020430/, it seems practical to<BR>
 > consider<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; the synergy of XForms and SVG and whether and how an SVG/XForms Profile<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; should be developed.<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt;<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; I have had a look for any sign of public W3C documents relating to such<BR>
 > a<BR>
 > &nbsp; &gt; profile but failed to find any so far.<BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; There aren't any yet, but the SVG WG is committed to examine the<BR>
 > &nbsp; integration of SVG and XForms. Here is an extract from the<BR>
 > &nbsp; SVG WG charter:<BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; [[[<BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; The principal request is greater integration with other W3C<BR>
 > &nbsp; specifications, such as XForms (to allow SVG form controls); ...<BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; Coordination with the XForms Working Group will ensure that SVG will<BR>
 > &nbsp; be usable as a rich presentation layer for XForms, allowing<BR>
 > &nbsp; integration of form controls in SVG graphics.<BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; ]]]<BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; The SVG Working Group has spent a lot of time looking at<BR>
 > &nbsp; XForms integration recently. I can't say when you'll see something,<BR>
 > &nbsp; but it shouldn't be too long.<BR>
 > <BR>
 > &nbsp; Dean</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
 > <BR>
 > Rick,<BR>
 > <BR>
 > The current version of the XForms WD is at <BR>
 > http://www.w3.org/TR/XForms<BR>
 > <BR>
 > I am copying this to the XForms lists so someone can perhaps respond to you directly about the background discussions to the current draft.<BR>
 > <BR>
 > Andrew Watt</FONT></HTML>

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Best Regards,
--raman
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