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Re: XForms vs XUL

From: T. V. Raman <tvraman@almaden.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:56:39 -0800
Message-ID: <15335.17239.590857.702468@bubbles.almaden.ibm.com>
To: Brian Grainger <granam@shaw.ca>
Cc: www-forms@w3.org
depends on what you're trying to achieve.
We definitely dont intend turning the XForms UI layer into a
windowing toolkit --the sweet spot for XForms authored
applications is the ability to deliver them to more than
just a fat (dare I say extremely obsese:-) desktop client as
is the case with traditional GUI widgetry.

And let's not ruffle feathers unnecessarily by saying "just
form entry" or "GUI application" 

pick your poison and live with it:-)
>>>>> "Brian" == Brian Grainger <granam@shaw.ca> writes:

    Brian> At 11:23 AM 11/5/01 -0800, you wrote:
    >> XForms takes this front-on by creating an application model,
    >> a binding and a user interface mechanism, where the UI is
>"bound" t the application model via the binding mechanism.
>XUL is a fine XML based language --but its goal is to create
>UI widgetry --and UI widgets alone do not an application make.

    Brian> Thanks very much for responding to my question.

    Brian> Would it be fair to say then that XForms, at this
    Brian> stage, is only for data entry and display,
    Brian> whereas XUL provides data widgets, as well as the
    Brian> standard range of toolbars and menu objects.

    Brian> Granted that the forms controls in XUL may not be
    Brian> as elegant as with XForms, but XUL does provide
    Brian> an application binding mechanism via XBL -
    Brian> http://www.w3.org/TR/xbl/

    Brian>  From a developers point of view, it's hard for
    Brian> me to see what extra value XForms brings to the
    Brian> dance, compared with XUL.  I'm certainly not
    Brian> trying to disparage the excellent work being done
    Brian> by the XForms Working Group. It's just that to
    Brian> someone from the 'show me' school, XForms seems
    Brian> to have only the very narrow capabilities of data
    Brian> entry and display, compared to the full XML-GUI
    Brian> approach of XUL.

    Brian> Regards, Brian

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