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RE: XForms WD 20010608 - inconsistencies in <caption> and <help> elements

From: Micah Dubinko <MDubinko@cardiff.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:41:44 -0700
Message-ID: <E840F0B7E6189547BDB91DA8BF2228AB28BB9A@csmail.cardiff.com>
To: "'Cassandra Greer'" <cassandra@mozquito.com>, "'www-forms@w3.org'" <www-forms@w3.org>
Thanks Cassandra, you took the words right out of my mouth. :-)

I'm one of the editors of XForms, and also the one responsible for the state
of the Schema as it currently stands.

In the Schema, there still remains tension between a simple definition (a
fixed sequence of child elements, such as submitInfo, model, instance and
THEN bind) and a more flexible but much harder to express in Schema
constraint (any order, one of each, etc.).

In previous Working Drafts we focused on improving a single area, such as
organization, terminology, or Schema support. In the next Draft or two, we
will be focusing on the examples, aiming for 100% consistency.

Keep reporting any such problems you might find. We do take note of these,
even if we're sometimes too busy to individually respond.

Thanks!

Micah J. Dubinko
Chief XML Architect
Senior Engineer
(W) 760-936-4639 

-----Original Message-----
From: Cassandra Greer [mailto:cassandra@mozquito.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:53 AM
To: www-forms@w3.org
Subject: RE: XForms WD 20010608 - inconsistencies in <caption> and
<help> elements


Hi all!

In defense of the Working Group, I think the whole group is very aware
of the fact that the current XForms spec is far from perfect.This is not
because they haven't been trying to make it perfect either (I sit across
from Josef and I can see how much time and effort he puts into this
along with the others!). 

There are many inconsistencies but remember  - this is a Work In
Progress. The working group is probably very appreciative of the effort
that the people on this list make to understand what the WG has written.
Your input and experience is invaluable in helping these guys see things
that perhaps they wouldn't see because they are so close to it.

Regards,

Cassandra :)

> ----------
> From: 	AndrewWatt2001@aol.com
> Sent: 	Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2001 16:39 Uhr
> To: 	www-forms@w3.org
> Cc: 	xforms@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: 	XForms WD 20010608 - inconsistencies in <caption> and
> <help> elements
> 
> I have stumbled across another seeming inconsistency in the June 2001
> XForms 
> Working Draft. 
> 
> In the example in Chapter 7.2 the <caption> element is a single word
> label. 
> In that example the <help> element is a sentence of suggested helpful 
> information. 
> 
> However, in the example in Chapter 7.3 the <caption> element is used
> in the 
> way that the <help> element was used in the example in 7.3. 
> 
> If the <caption> and <help> elements have clearly distinct functions
> then it 
> would help readers if the examples reflected that. 
> 
> However, I wonder if there is duplication among the functionality of
> the < 
> caption>, <help> and <hint> elements. Are all three really needed? In
> 7.2 the 
> <help> element seems to be used to give a hint. In 7.3 it is the
> <caption> 
> element which gives the hint. 
> 
> It seems that there is scope for clarification and rationalisation
> here. 
> 
> Andrew Watt
> 
Received on Wednesday, 11 July 2001 12:48:01 GMT

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