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Re: Add scripts to XForms input-mode script list in Appendix E (PR#106)

From: Martin Duerst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:24:04 +0900
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To: Steven Pemberton <xforms-issues@mn.aptest.com>
Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org, www-forms-editor@w3.org

Hello Steven,

At 04:33 07/06/14, Steven Pemberton wrote:
>I wonder if it woudn't be more efficient to have this list by reference rather
>than by inclusion.
>Since you are the author of this section, would you be willing to suggest the
>text to replace the list with references to the normative specs?

This may make sense to some extent, but it's not totally clear that
all future additions to the Unicode list of scripts can be just added
to the list of input mode tags in XForms. It is certainly not the case
that the current list of scripts in Unicode is identical with the
(currently proposed, incl. below) list of tags in XForms.

Also, because there are changes in spelling, I think it's much
more useful for implementers and users to have a full list.
What I could immagine is that we add a sentence saying something
like "it is expected that future versions of this specification
will include tokens for scripts added to Unicode wherever that
makes sense".

Regards,    Martin.

>Best wishes,
>Steven Pemberton
>> Appendix E of this specification (http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#mode),
>> entitled "Input Modes", should be updated to be in sync with the most
>> recent list of scripts from Unicode/ISO 10646.
>> A rough count (using the Unix 'wc' utilty) showed that about 15
>> scripts are missing from the list of tokens at
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#mode-values.
>> A point-by-point comparison with
>> http://www.unicode.org/Public/5.0.0/ucd/PropertyValueAliases.txt
>> (look below the line "# Script (sc)") gave the following list
>> (more than 15 because E.3.1 contains quite a few special values):
>> (starting with lowercase and converting spaces to camelcase in
>> line with the currently available tokens (e.g. canaidianAboriginal)).
>> balinese
>> buginese
>> coptic
>> cypriot
>> glagolitic
>> kharoshthi
>> limbu
>> linearB
>> nko
>> osmanya
>> phagsPa
>> phoenician
>> shavian
>> sylotiNagri
>> taiLe
>> newTaiLue
>> tifinagh
>> ugaritic
>> oldPersian
>> cuneiform
>> This list of tokens can be included as is (with "Unicode script name"
>> in the Comments column), but should be cross-checked to make sure
>> I didn't miss anything. The text above the table can then be updated
>> to say "The version of the Unicode Standard that these script name
>> are taken from is 5.0." instead of "The version of the Unicode Standard
>> that these script names are taken from is 3.2.".
>> Many of the scripts (e.g. Cunieform) are not necessarily what you
>> would expect as your typical XForms input, but some of the tokens
>> already available in XForms 1.0 also don't have a high probability
>> of usage, and it's better to be complete than to leave something out
>> that later may be needed.
>> Some people may raise the concern that adding these script tokens
>> will force the spec to go to Last Call again. While this would be
>> true for any genuinely new feature being added after Last Call,
>> it is difficult to see why a new Last Call would be needed just
>> because the list of scripts is being completed. No XForms implementation
>> is forced to support all of these values anyway, but not including
>> a value that's currently not supported would create a weird
>> chicken-and-egg problem.
>> Regards,      Martin.
>> #-#-#  Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
>> #-#-#  http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp      mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp

#-#-#  Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
#-#-#  http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp       mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp     
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