W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > www-font@w3.org > April to June 2011

RE: css3-fonts: should not dictate usage policy with respect to origin

From: Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 02:21:08 +0000
To: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>, "robert@ocallahan.org" <robert@ocallahan.org>
CC: John Hudson <tiro@tiro.com>, "Levantovsky, Vladimir" <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotypeimaging.com>, "liam@w3.org" <liam@w3.org>, StyleBeyondthePunchedCard <www-style@w3.org>, "public-webfonts-wg@w3.org" <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org>, "www-font@w3.org" <www-font@w3.org>, Martin J. <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <3C4041FF83E1E04A986B6DC50F0178290BBD2A@TK5EX14MBXC297.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
It’s not unreasonable to have such a desire, or many others. It doesn’t follow that all the ways you can act on them are reasonable.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect a new member or participant to show a modicum of respect and interest for the existing consensus of the WG they engage with; I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect them to try to influence that consensus through positive and constructive means. And then, later, if that proves unfruitful, *then* consider a formal objection. The reverse is, frankly, obnoxious and (clearly) counter-productive.

From: Glenn Adams [mailto:glenn@skynav.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:06 PM
To: robert@ocallahan.org
Cc: Sylvain Galineau; John Hudson; Levantovsky, Vladimir; liam@w3.org; StyleBeyondthePunchedCard; public-webfonts-wg@w3.org; www-font@w3.org; Martin J.
Subject: Re: css3-fonts: should not dictate usage policy with respect to origin

And I never said I expected it. Not expecting it is not equivalent to not wanting it. We don't expect it, but we want it, for reasons of forward interoperability. There is nothing unreasonable about having such a desire.

G.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Robert O'Callahan <robert@ocallahan.org<mailto:robert@ocallahan.org>> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com<mailto:glenn@skynav.com>> wrote:


  *   Samsung believes the issue is whether an existing implementation of @font-face that does not employ same origin can claim conformance to a final, published REC that wishes to apply the same origin mandate to all implementations, whether new or old; the issue of whether such an old implementation is "experimental" or merely "early" is unrelated to our concern, since it is desirable to (finally) have a complete and final specification for @font-face that can be referenced by industry compliance testing and compliance certification processes;

No-one can expect an implementation that predates a REC to conform to the REC. (Sylvain, Jonathan and others have already pointed this out.)
Rob
--
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us." [1 John 1:8-10]

Received on Wednesday, 29 June 2011 02:21:42 GMT

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.2.0+W3C-0.50 : Wednesday, 29 June 2011 02:21:45 GMT