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RE: css3-fonts: should not dictate usage policy with respect to origin

From: Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:43:02 +0000
To: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
CC: John Hudson <tiro@tiro.com>, "Levantovsky, Vladimir" <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotypeimaging.com>, "liam@w3.org" <liam@w3.org>, StyleBeyondthePunchedCard <www-style@w3.org>, "public-webfonts-wg@w3.org" <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org>, "www-font@w3.org" <www-font@w3.org>, Martin J. <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
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My bad for taking a point you made earlier and extrapolating from that css3-fonts reference (“I would note, however, that as presently defined, HTML5 does require same-origin on web font resource access along with other resource types.” in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Jun/0668.html). But since HTML5 does *not* define any origin policy for fonts and you argue that is where it should be interoperably defined, how is that going to happen without raising the issue with the HTML WG ? As the spec is heading for Last Call it would seem important to raise the issue soon. (Although a formal objection would not indeed seem necessary if HTML5 does not require this, despite your original claim).

Given that your sole contribution to this mailing list and WG has been to show up to throw a sudden formal objection by making a series of incoherent and self-contradictory arguments – as if to see which one could stick, really - given that you are actively opposed to the consensus and goals of this WG, given that you haven’t even once bothered to show interest about the impact of your approach on the WG’s work, on other members, on the web, web authors or users, you have precious few grounds to expect the position you represent to be welcomed as a positive and meaningful contribution. In addition, given that you have persistently evaded or ignored others on those issues they care about, given that I have no concrete reason to believe as of yet that your goal is to contribute in a manner that is meaningful and positive for the work of the group, I have been as civil as I feel justified under the circumstances. Were you expecting a thank you note ?
From: Glenn Adams [mailto:glenn@skynav.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Sylvain Galineau
Cc: John Hudson; Levantovsky, Vladimir; liam@w3.org; StyleBeyondthePunchedCard; public-webfonts-wg@w3.org; www-font@w3.org; Martin J.
Subject: Re: css3-fonts: should not dictate usage policy with respect to origin


On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com<mailto:sylvaing@microsoft.com>> wrote:
In any case, I assume you will file a formal objection with all three WGs concerned. As HTML5 currently depends on css3-fonts to define this behavior and you clearly believe that to be incorrect, you will also object and demand that they define this behavior as part of HTML5, right ?

Again, you are wrong. HTML5 only refers to css3-fonts once, in the following:

For fonts

The origin<http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#origin> of a downloadable Web font is equal to the origin<http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#origin> of the absolute URL<http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#absolute-url> used to obtain the font (after any redirects). [CSSFONTS]<http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#refsCSSFONTS>
This says nothing about using css3-fonts to define same origin behavior.

You know Slyvain, I don't know you, but I have not impugned your knowledge or reasonableness in this thread. On the other hand, every contribution of yours to this thread has been expressed to one degree or another in an ironic and frankly, a contemptuous tone. You should try being civil for a change.

G.





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