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Re: EOT & DMCA concerns

From: Thomas Phinney <tphinney@cal.berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:38:32 -0700
Message-ID: <f49ae6ac0908051338s25ed1224y248c8c58054aa9e7@mail.gmail.com>
To: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
Cc: Jonathan Kew <jonathan@jfkew.plus.com>, Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com>, John Daggett <jdaggett@mozilla.com>, www-font <www-font@w3.org>
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Thomas Lord<lord@emf.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:28 -0700, Thomas Phinney wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Thomas Lord<lord@emf.net> wrote:
>>
>> > The proponents argue for EOTL with same-origin+CORS.
>> > The rationales:
>> >
>> > 1) A required conversion step by authors
>> > acts as a low garden wall.
>>
>> I have never heard this argument until now, and I do not believe that
>> font vendors are concerned about that particular direction of usage.
>
> It's come up quite a bit.   The two
> "conversion step" rationales are the
> entire basis for some parties saying
> "no TTF/OTF -- no `raw' fonts".

No, the first step as a protection has not come up, and the first
conversion step is neither a rationale nor a basis for anything I've
seen discussed. It's just a necessity in order to put up the fence of
a second step, coming back the other way. (It's true that a garden
fence may make it harder to get *out* of your garden, but unless you
have pets or small children it usually isn't the point.)

Retail font vendors are very concerned about web fonts chewing into
their desktop font revenue, because the latter is their main source of
revenue. Broadly speaking, they haven't even *considered* the question
their existing revenue source (desktop fonts) chewing into the
hypothetical future revenue which is about to go up from zero.

Arguably, they *ought* to be worried. But they pretty much universally
are not, so far. Maybe some of them would be if they thought about it
more.

>> What UA maker or desktop OS vendor has
>> said they want to or are even willing to "automate the conversion
>> step" back to desktop fonts for users downloading web fonts?
>
> I'll write some code for the web-to-desktop case,
> if it comes to that.

I'm concerned with what's bundled with the Mac and Windows OSes, not
with what third parties do. The fact that conversion code will exist
and even be widely available is not the issue, just whether it's built
in.
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