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RE: Fonts WG Charter feedback

From: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:48:30 -0700
To: Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>
Cc: "Levantovsky, Vladimir" <Vladimir.Levantovsky@MonotypeImaging.com>, Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com>, www-font@w3.org
Message-Id: <1246319310.7452.139.camel@dell-desktop.example.com>
Håkon, you argue that:

Recommendation X took Y years for adoption.
Recommendation Z took N years for adoption.
Etc. etc.

It's all slower than anyone would wish.

Let's call the whole thing off.

Only.. I ask you:

How long do you expect the web to be around?
Are those delays really that big?

During those delays, didn't the rate of generation
of new content using those standards accelerate
(hence driving adoption)?  Why delay starting?

If you maintain your attitude, maybe you should
just walk away from W3C entirely.  All standards
are pointless in the sense that you describe.

-t


 

On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 01:22 +0200, Håkon Wium Lie wrote:
> Also sprach Levantovsky, Vladimir:
> 
>  > >  > We accept it's not up to us to pick the outcome; and if that means
>  > >  > dumping EOT, so be it.
>  > > 
>  > > And replacing it with a backwards-compatible format, I presume?
>  > > Otherwise, users would be equally "screwed", no?
>  > 
>  > And if you and I do care about authors (as you indicated in your
>  > ATypI presentation), than backward-compatible solution that can be
>  > implemented and deployed fast and with minimal efforts should be
>  > our first priority.
> 
> Yes. That can be done today, I believe, by serving EOT to IE and TT/OT
> to others. 
> 
> So, from a /technical/ point of view, there is no need for a new format.
> 
> Another point that hasn't been discussed much is how long it takes to
> charter, write, vote, implement, test, deploy, and bug-fix a new W3C
> Recommendation. We have some numbers here:
> 
>  - W3C released the PNG Recommendation in October 1996. It took exactly
>    a decade for all browsers to add full support for PNG images: IE7
>    was released in October 2006
> 
>  - CSS2 was released in 1998. This year, more than a decade later, we
>    reached a point where all major browsers supports all major CSS2
>    features (that survived the CSS 2.1 pruning efforts).
> 
>  - SVG 1.0 became a W3C Recommendation in September 2001, but is still
>    not supported by all major browsers. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -h&kon
>               Håkon Wium Lie                          CTO °þe®ª
> howcome@opera.com                  http://people.opera.com/howcome
> 
> 
> 
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