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Minutes, DOM3 Events Telcon, 4 April 2010

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:12:18 -0400
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To: "www-dom@w3.org" <www-dom@w3.org>
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              Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

07 Apr 2010

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-webapps-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Shepazu, Olli_Pettay, [Microsoft]

    Regrets
    Chair
           SV_MEETING_CHAIR

    Scribe
           Travis

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Click issue
          2. [5]i18n
          3. [6]DOM Views
      * [7]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________

    <trackbot> Date: 07 April 2010

    <smaug> [8]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556493

       [8] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556493

    <smaug> Travis:
    [9]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556493

       [9] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556493

    <scribe> Scribe: Travis

    <scribe> ScribeNick: Travis

Click issue

    smaug: if mousedown happens in different node then the mouseup
    event, then the click event does not fire.
    ... This is underspecified today.
    ... One of the nodes (the mousedown) is a textnode.

    shepazu: From accessibility point-of-view, not firing click can be
    problemantic, especially if there is considerable mouse
    shaking/movement.

    <shepazu>
    [10]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Event
    s.html#events-mouseevent-event-order

      [10] 
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-mouseevent-event-order

    The bug reproduction is here:
    [11]https://bug556493.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=436452

      [11] https://bug556493.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=436452

    shepazu: We can add an example to section 5.2.3.2 under the click
    event to clarify the sentence "The click event may be preceded by
    the mousedown and mouseup events on the same element"

    Travis: IE8 and 9 do not manifest this bug.

    <shepazu> ACTION: shepazu to add an example to section 5.2.3.2 under
    the click event to clarify the sentence "The click event may be
    preceded by the mousedown and mouseup events on the same element"
    [recorded in
    [12]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-webapps-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-516 - Add an example to section 5.2.3.2
    under the click event to clarify the sentence "The click event may
    be preceded by the mousedown and mouseup events on the same element"
    [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-04-14].

    shepazu: Everyone in agreement then?

    smaug: Yes.

    Travis: Yes.

i18n

    <shepazu>
    [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JanMar/0051.html

      [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JanMar/0051.html

    Travis: I agree with the points 2-4 in full.

    smaug: Yes, I also agree with those.
    ... What are the other comments?

    Travis: Does this impact DocumentEvent:convertKeyValue?

    shepazu: Not directly, but I was hoping for some review on this from
    i18n...
    ... convertKeyValue is generic; it takes any string (e.g, "U+571",
    "&#123", etc.) and converts to any of the four output key types.
    ... It has utility, but DOM Events may not be the right time/place
    for this API.
    ... Example, could provide "DEL" and it would spit out the delete
    character key (in unicode or some other format).

    Travis: From a testing perspective, this might be hard to
    effectively test because of the large class of inputs/outputs.

    shepazu: I think I will go ahead and drop this API from the spec.

    Resolution: Drop convertKeyValue from DOM Events

DOM Views

    <shepazu> [14]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9336

      [14] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9336

    Travis: This seems to center around our UIEvent having a "view"
    property

    <smaug>
    [15]http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-DOM-Level-2-Views-20001113/views.h
    tml

      [15] 
http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-DOM-Level-2-Views-20001113/views.html

    shepazu: Implementors implement the view as a Window.

    <kenneth> smaug, there has been some talk about moving vm-i (view
    mode interface from Widgets 1.0) to CSSOM, so maybe the viewMode
    property should be moved to DOM-Level-2-Views?

    <smaug> kenneth: move something to DOM-Level-2-Views?

    <smaug> that is a very old spec

    <kenneth> is there a newer spec for dom views?

    <smaug> no

    shepazu: In the glossary (section 2) the definition of defaultView
    seems very adaquate and addresses the concept of window as we read
    in the feedback.

    <kenneth> smaug, ah there is the
    [16]http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Views/

      [16] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Views/

    <smaug> kenneth: I doubt anyone has worked on that Note for ages

    <scribe> ACTION: smaug Ask for rationale on UIEvent "view" property
    feedback and send to www-dom and public-html [recorded in
    [17]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-webapps-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-517 - Ask for rationale on UIEvent "view"
    property feedback and send to www-dom and public-html [on Olli
    Pettay - due 2010-04-14].

    <smaug> [18]http://limi.net/articles/resource-packages

      [18] http://limi.net/articles/resource-packages

    <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: shepazu to add an example to section 5.2.3.2 under the
    click event to clarify the sentence "The click event may be preceded
    by the mousedown and mouseup events on the same element" [recorded
    in [19]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-webapps-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: smaug Ask for rationale on UIEvent "view" property
    feedback and send to www-dom and public-html [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-webapps-minutes.html#action02]

    [End of minutes]
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