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Minutes, DOM3 Events, 18 Nov 2009

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:16:13 -0500
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To: "www-dom@w3.org" <www-dom@w3.org>
Hi, DOM3 Events fans-

The minutes for the DOM3 Events telcon of 18 Nov 2009:

   http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-webapps-minutes.html

Or as text below:

    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

              Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

18 Nov 2009

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-webapps-irc

Attendees

    Present
           [Microsoft], [IPcaller], Shepazu

    Regrets
    Chair
           SV_MEETING_CHAIR

    Scribe
           Travis

Contents

      * [3]Topics
      * [4]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________



    <trackbot> Date: 18 November 2009

    Travis: Talked to some folks about element-level resize (layout
    engineers) and based on layout complexity and potential spec
    vagueness (plus other browsers don't support this), I'd like to not
    spec this behavior as part of DOM L3 Events.
    ... Suggested change to spec for resize: proximal event target =
    Window (only)
    ... Wanting to ensure Wiki access to create strawman proposal for
    Faster Mutation Events (discussed with Jonas at TPAC 2009).
    ... verified that I do have editing access :)
    ... Got feedback from Microsoft's Office Web Companions: they wanted
    to have a keyboard language hint for internationalization features
    (spell/grammer).
    ... Makes more sense for compositionend events (which tend to be
    langauge specific).

    shepazu: Side conversation on shortcomings of not having physical
    key layout information.
    ... (re-)discovered keyValues for copy/paste/cut, which solves some
    common use cases.
    ... 2 key down sequence: CTRL keyValue + C [key], results in a
    KeyDown{keyValue:"Control"}, KeyDown{keyValue:"Copy"}

    Travis: "Labled keys" on my keyboard (Control Key combos):
    SelectAll, Find, Cut, Copy, Paste, Bold, Underline, Italic
    ... Non-Function keys (share keyspace as F1-F12): Help, Undo, Redo,
    New, Open, Close, Reply, Fwd, Send, Spell, Save, Print

    (Travis/Olli to think about this)

    Last topic: DOMActivate...

    Scenario-- user tabs to a link and press enter/space. Event sequence
    is {KeyboardEvent -> MouseEvent (click) -> Event (DOMActivate).

    scribe: So this is legacy behavior.
    ... We can't change this.
    ... It seems like DOMActivate and click have roughly the same
    meaning.
    ... I'll be radical: Let's consider deprecating (like the mutation
    events) DOMActivate. In its place, make 'click' the new DOMActivate!

    shepazu: We need to run this by the accessibility community to make
    sure we're not missing anything.
    ... Intuition tells me that deprecating DOMActivate will simplify
    web application development and actually make it simpler to make
    accessible web applications.

    <smaug> [5]http://www.w3.org/TR/progress-events/

       [5] http://www.w3.org/TR/progress-events/

    <smaug>
    [6]http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/ns
    Document.cpp#6145

       [6] 
http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsDocument.cpp#6145

    <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon

Summary of Action Items

    [End of minutes]
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