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Re: Document Object Model (DOM) Level 3 XPath Specification

From: Curt Arnold <carnold@houston.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:34:59 -0500
Message-ID: <001b01c10104$e0962dc0$7600a8c0@CurtMicron>
To: <www-dom@w3.org>
> If it implements CharacterData, then what does parentNode point to?
>  Some node that it is not a child of, or do we clone the whole tree, and
> have no way to reference the real nodes?  I think that you cannot create
> a coherent pseudo-fragment of the tree without recreating a whole
> separate tree and losing correlation to the real nodes you were
> interested in.

I'll have to think some more on this.  It just wasn't satisfying on
the first read and seems like a gotcha that would catch most
novice XML developers.

> >I think it is necessary that there is a generic evaluateAs(), however I
> >don't think it is necessary or desirable to pass the type as an argument
> >since XPath 2.0 should have the Schema datatype equivalents of
> >string(), number(), etc.  The evaluteAsString, evaluateAsNumber,
> >etc are useful and probably should be kept.
> >
> What object type would the calling application expect to be returned?
>  As I understand XPath 2.0, data type is determined not by the XPath
> expression but by the value space of the actual value, and a return type
> may simultaneously be instance of multiple types.  The purpose of the
> passed-in argument is to tell what object type we need back.  If the
> languages used to implement DOM applications were as untyped as Lisp,
> which seems to be the inspiration for XPath 2.0, then we might not need
> to tell it what type we needed.  But we need to be able to say what type
> we need in the program.  Otherwise, we will have no idea what is being
> returned or how to use it.

http://www.w3.org/TR/query-datamodel/#primvalue appears to describe
an coercion functions that would augment the number(), string() and
functions already in XPath 1.0.

For example, if a document has an associated schema and a "time" attribute
is associated with a type derived from xs:time but my application wants
to have it returned as a string, I could write its XPath query as either:

String timeStr = (String) evaluate("string(@time)");


String timeStr = (String) evaluate("xs:string(@time)");

Since I have the ability to coerce an XPath expression to any arbitrary
builtin schema type, replicating this capability by an additional datatype
argument on the evaluateAs function seems unnecessary.

Time time = (Time) evaluate("xs:time(" + query + ")");

> >I mentioned that I think NodeSetIterator and NodeSet are better names for
> >ActiveNodeSet
> >and StaticNodeSet.  ActiveNodeSet behaves like an fail-fast iterator on a
> >collection.  StaticNodeSet behaves like a common ancestor to NodeList and
> >NamedNodeMap.
> >
> The methods of these interfaces have changed a bit since I started, so I
> would not be opposed to renameing them appropriately.  I agree that
> ActiveNodeSet behaves like a fail-fast iterator.  But I would be afraid
> of confusion if we called the one type an iterator of the other, when it
> is not.  The ActiveNodeSet does not iterate across the StaticNodeSet,
> but rather across an active result set.  A StaticNodeSet snapshots a
> list of the nodes in the ActiveNodeSet.  While the names might make
> sense in isolation, together they seem quite misleading.  I would be
> more inclined to try something like NodeSetIterator and NodeSetSnapshot.

The fact that NodeSet is a snapshot is really orthogonal to the interface,
it is really
more a quality of the underlying object returned by a particular method.
all the text about liveness of NodeList's in the Core spec is really a
quality of the
the object returned by , for example, Element.attributes(), than having
to do with the NodeList interface.  If there were functions in Core that
static lists, I would prefer to be able to manipulate them using a generic
that I could also use for dynamic node lists.

Between the XPath draft and Core, there are three interfaces to manipulate
sets of Nodes, StaticNodeSet/NodeSet[Snapshot], NodeList and NamedNodeMap.
All three interfaces have a length() and item() method, but there is no
interface supported by all and there should be.

If being able to determine whether an NodeSet is static or dynamic is
then NodeSet could have an isDynamic() property and possibly a

public interface NodeSet {
     public int getLength();
     public Node getItem(int index);
     public boolean getIsDynamic();
     public boolean getIsOrdered();
     public NodeSet createStaticSet();

Element.getAttributes() could return an object that, in addition to
supporting NamedNodeMap,
would support NodeSet with isDynamic = true and isOrdered = false.  If you
wanted to take
a snapshot of the attribute list, then you could call createStaticSet().
(The members of the set would be fixed, however the properties of individual
members could still change)

Element.getChildren() could return an object that, in addition to supporting
would support NodeSet with isDynamic = true and isOrdered = true.
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