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Re: New DOM Level 2 Working Draft

From: L. David Baron <dbaron@fas.harvard.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:33:04 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199909251233.IAA26020@is02.fas.harvard.edu>
To: dbaron@fas.harvard.edu, plh@w3.org
Cc: www-dom@w3.org
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:19:15 +0200, Philippe Le Hegaret (plh@w3.org)
> L. David Baron wrote:

> > There are messy issues with the border-color property.  See
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/1999Sep/0082.html
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/1999Sep/0085.html
>   The border-color gets his value from the color property when the border
> property doesn't contain a color, but the value of the color is the
> _specified_ value of the color property and not the value in the style sheet.
> Since we don't compute the inheritance in the CSS OM (except for the computed
> style delcaration), the border color should be empty.

However, empty is equivalent to not being specified, which is clearly
wrong.  An application that *uses* the methods of the CSS OM to cascade
and find computed values would be unable to handle the following rules

div {
  border-color: green;

div {
  border: medium solid;
  color: red;

It would give div elements a green border (instead of the correct red,
assuming the color isn't changed anywhere else), since the border-color
property seems (through the CSS OM) not to be set within the second

This is more a problem with CSS than the DOM, but I'm bringing it to
the attention of the DOM list as well.

> > I think the following statement in [2] is unnecessary because the special
> > system font shorthand values *can* be decomposed (and must, since some of the
> > equivalent longhand properties can be changed, leaving others intact).
>   Unfortunately, this is not true, see the font shorthand property definition
> in CSS2 :
>   http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts.html#propdef-font
> [ [ <'font-style'> || <'font-variant'> || <'font-weight'> ]? <'font-size'> 
>  [ / <'line-height'> ]? <'font-family'> ] 
>  | caption | icon | menu | message-box | small-caption | status-bar | inherit 
>   caption, icon, menu, message-box, small-caption and status-bar are not
> supported by the longhand properties.

They cannot be specified by the longhand properties, but they can
clearly be decomposed into those longhand properties.  In particular,
see the second sentence of the following (which is within the URL you

# That is why this property is "almost" a shorthand property: system
# fonts can only be specified with this property, not with
# 'font-family' itself, so 'font' allows authors to do more than the
# sum of its subproperties. However, the individual properties such as
# 'font-weight' are still given values taken from the system font,
# which can be independently varied.


L. David Baron    Sophomore, Harvard (Physics)    dbaron@fas.harvard.edu
Links, SatPix, CSS, etc.     <URL: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~dbaron/ >
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