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Re: Issues about the DOM TS brought up in the DOM WG Telcon

From: Dimitris Dimitriadis <dimitris@ontologicon.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:54:51 +0100
Cc: Curt Arnold <carnold@houston.rr.com>, www-dom-ts@w3.org
To: bclary@netscape.com (Robert Clary)
Message-Id: <988BD618-2782-11D6-880D-000393556882@ontologicon.com>
My bad, should have been clearer on that, however the minutes from that 
telephone conference seem to endorse my interpretation of what the 
netscape representative claimed. That is member only information, so I 
cannot point to it.


On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 11:27 , Robert Clary wrote:

> The report that Mozilla attempted to run the ActiveX object is a red 
> herring due to a misunderstanding in verbal communications with a 
> member of the DOM WG.  As far as I know, no one at Netscape made such a 
> claim. The issue with sniffing is that it is too restrictive.
> The relevant message to this list  is from Dimitris on 2/20/2002 at 
> 1:24PM
> <quote>
> From the top of my head there are the following issues brought up by 
> Netscape representatives (they will send a message to this list after 
> having checked thouroughly):
> 1. Browser sniffing -- it seems that the sniffing is not elaborate 
> enough, makes Mozille, for example, run code with calls to an ActiveX 
> object.
> 2. Tests on default attributes require a validating parser, which is 
> not a requirement (for XML), for HTML default attributes need to be 
> there. The issue is then that the TS tests the XML appclication DOM, 
> not the browser DOM
> </quote>
> The issue with MSXML vs. Native browser implementations is another 
> issue.
> /bc
> Curt Arnold wrote:
>> To get to the call to new ActiveXObject, the browser must be 
>> identified as
>> IE.  For Netscape or Mozilla to be falsely identified as IE,
>> navigator.appName must contain  "Microsoft" and not contain "Netscape".
>> That does not occur with Mozilla on any of the versions and platforms 
>> that
>> I've tested.
>> What I wanted was something like, when running Mozilla 0.9.8 on 
>> OpenVMS, I
>> get a message that ActiveXObject is not defined.  The value of
>> navigator.appName is "Mozilla (not Microsoft)".
>> However, I've incorporated the logic from
>> http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/sniffer/browser_type.html to
>> detect Navigator 6 and Mozilla.  However, since I don't have access to
>> whatever Mozilla browser that confounds the existing logic, I can't 
>> tell if
>> it fixes the problem.
>> I'll be committing some changes to DOMTestSuite.js in just a few 
>> moments.
Received on Friday, 22 February 2002 05:54:23 UTC

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