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Re: Issues about the DOM TS brought up in the DOM WG Telcon

From: Dimitris Dimitriadis <dimitris@ontologicon.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:29:22 +0100
Cc: <www-dom-ts@w3.org>
To: "Curt Arnold" <carnold@houston.rr.com>
Message-Id: <C80AB54C-26DF-11D6-8B4E-000393556882@ontologicon.com>
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On Thursday, February 21, 2002, at 05:34 , Curt Arnold wrote:

>> 1. Browser sniffing -- it seems that the sniffing is not elaborate
>> enough, makes Mozille, for example, run code with calls to an ActiveX
>> object.
> I'll admit that it isn't elaborate, but under what scenario does 
> Mozilla run
> an ActiveX object?
[dd] I've no idea, they would look into this and get back to this list.

>> 2. Tests on default attributes require a validating parser, which is 
>> not
>> a requirement (for XML)
> It doesn't require that the document be validated, but it does require 
> that
> the DTD be processed.  The DOM rec doesn't seem to allow a processor to 
> omit
> default attributes or return null for doctype when there is a DTD.
[dd] My interpreetation as well, but we'll have to see what the issue is 
once the QA people at Netscape formulate it

> , for HTML default attributes need to be there.
>> The issue is then that the TS tests the XML appclication DOM, not the
>> browser DOM
> The DOM Level 1 test suite currently only contains tests for XML and SVG
> documents.  Microsoft IE does not have an browser implementation of the 
> DOM so the MSXML2.DOMDocument is used for tests using XML documents.  
> Since
> Mozilla does have a XML DOM in the browser, it is used for tests on XML
> documents.  I believe that Netscape was converting going to be 
> providing DOM
> 1 Core tests that use HTML documents, and when those tests are run using
> HTML documents they will use the browsers HTML DOM implementation.
[dd] The issue is probably exactly that; IE has an external program for 
processing XML, whereas Netscape does not.

>> And from IBM:
>> 1. readonly issues, as indicated in a previous message
> Let me search the archives and come up with a history of the discussion 
> on
> these tests.
>> 2. Ability to run single tests (in Java) instead of the entire suite. I
>> promised to come back with relevant info on how not to run entire 
>> suites
>> (this is the way we run it right now)
>> From the command line, if you do:
> java -classpath dom1-core.jar <testclassname>
> such as:
> java -classpath dom1-core.jar
> org.w3c.domts.level1.core.documentcreatecdatasection
> it will run just the specified test twice (once for each configuration).
> Individual tests cannot be run (currently) from JUnit GUI's since there 
> are
> not junit.framework.TestCase derived classes corresponding to each test.
[dd] Thanks, I'll update relevant documentation accordingly

Received on Thursday, 21 February 2002 10:28:44 UTC

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