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SV: Recap and action items

From: Dimitris Dimitriadis <dimitris.dimitriadis@improve.se>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:43:08 +0200
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To: "'www-dom-ts@w3.org'" <www-dom-ts@w3.org>
Hi all

As I try to prepare for the DOM WG face 2 face next weeek, there'w two
things I'd like:

1. Can I have pointers to the latest material? I'm going over it for another
two hours and would like to do as much as possible before leaving Monday. 
2. Could you please indicate anything you would like me to discuss with the
DOM WG? I can think of using a frame to expose SF from within the DOM TS
page and asking about the license as two examples of things that have been
discussed lately.



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Från: Dimitris Dimitriadis [mailto:dimitris.dimitriadis@improve.se]
Skickat: den 7 juni 2001 15:35
Till: 'Arnold, Curt'; 'www-dom-ts@w3.org'
Ämne: SV: Recap and action items

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Från: Arnold, Curt [mailto:Curt.Arnold@hyprotech.com]
Skickat: den 6 juni 2001 20:24
Till: 'www-dom-ts@w3.org'
Ämne: RE: Recap and action items

> [mb] Okay -- what happens when tests are submitted with a 
> copyright?  Or,
> do we not accept them unless we have free access to modify them?  I am
> particularly concerned about a test that is submitted, 
> accepted, and then
> someone later believes that there is a problem with the test 
> -- modifies it,
> and resubmits it -- are we set up to track modifications?
> [dd] Very good point. resubmitted with a pointer to the old 
> submission would
> be ebough, I think, as long as we, as Mary points out, track 
> the submission
> steps. It's a service, if you will, we should provide.
> In any case, I think the process implies that the tests cannot contain
> copyright statements if they are to form part of the DOM TS. 
> I suppose one
> way of going about would be to speak to the submitting party 
> at that time.

>From the DOM Conformance Test Process Document:

It is understood that no submitting party, individual or company, can claim
ownership of submitted tests. All copyright notes and similar text must be
removed from the code prior to submitting the
test (or tests) to the DOM TS. It is also understood that no submitter can
try to withdraw submitted tests, but must ask the TS moderator that the test
be withdrawn. Reasons for this should be given,
for reasons of future reference. In this case, the moderator should send a
notification to the DOM TS mailing list in which is stated that the
contributor for a particular test wishes to withdraw the
submitted test. Only after that and after approval from the DOM WG can the
test be withdrawn from the DOM TS.

The W3C Document Notice and License will apply for the DOM Test suites.


This would require those notices to get removed before submission.  However,
I can see some issues with those statements.  

First, wouldn't the Software Notice be more appropriate?  With the Document
Notice, you couldn't make deriviative works, even if your intent
was to submit the test back to the work group.  Also, generating testing
code for a specific language might be problematic under the document
license since that could be considered a deriviative work.

[dd] I've written/edited the Process document; there was actually some
discussion about this, and we ended up going for the Document License as the
Software license seems to be aimed at other things. Striclty speaking, the
DOM TS can be considered a document, at least as it is ceratinly not a piece
of software (remember that we will provide text representations of code,
around which implementors will write harnesses). In any case there are a
series of issues we need to have a common understanding of.

would indicate that the original author could maintain the 
copyright as long as the W3C license is asserted.

[dd] You're right, let me investigate this. Thanks for pointing it out.

I know there was a discussion xml-dev on how the lack of an explicit 
copyright may not negate an implicit copyright, so just
removing an existing copyright notice may not negate the ownership
claims of the submitter.  Hadn't heard that argument before,
but I'm not an intellectual property lawyer.

[dd] Yes, I remember the thread. It a very hard issue, and I personally feel
I do not know enough to say anything particulalry constructive. Does anyone
else have knowledge about this?

In some ways, test submission is similar to patch submission to
the CVS project and we could require submitters to fill in the
patches form before integrating their tests into the CVS.


I would think that almost all tests will need to be modified
by the DOM TS group.  Any changes that the original submitter
wants to make to a test could be signified by adding a comment
to the original test submission.

[dd] Sure. That's another reason why we sould have a mailing list, not only
for submission of tests, but for these kinds of issues as well. Actually, a
mailing list is mentioned as the principle forum in the PRocess Document.
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