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RE: Web page layouts in different cultures - question from DIWG

From: Bruno Girin <Bruno.Girin@cambista.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:21:05 +0100
Message-ID: <2D25E0735620544FB83ABA9B07D6AC733C6652@phaal.uk.cambista.net>
To: "Richard Ishida" <ishida@w3.org>, "Steve Zilles" <szilles@adobe.com>, <www-international-request@w3.org>
Cc: <www-di@w3.org>, <www-international@w3.org>

So are we saying that (X)HTML + CSS3 should offer same or similar
support for vertical and RTL text as XSL and SVG already do? Or in other
words that (X)HTML + CSS3 should catch up on XSL and SVG? Does it then
mean that the XSL and SVG specs could be used as a starting point for
(X)HTML + CSS3?

This would be nice because it means there already is a starting point
and in re-using the same concepts, it would make the three technologies
consistent. And consistency is good because consistency helps making
systems that produce that type of data and systems that consume it (in
particular user agents) simpler. Simplicity is good because simple
systems are less prone to bugs.

Bruno


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Ishida [mailto:ishida@w3.org]
> Sent: 24 September 2005 18:32
> To: 'Steve Zilles'; Bruno Girin; www-international-request@w3.org
> Cc: www-di@w3.org; www-international@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Web page layouts in different cultures - question from
DIWG
> 
> Yes. Absolutely.  I was talking about (X)HTML in my previous note.
> 
> 
> 
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> W3C
> 
> contact info:
> http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
> 
> W3C Internationalization:
> http://www.w3.org/International/
> 
> Publication blog:
> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> 	From: Steve Zilles [mailto:szilles@adobe.com]
> 	Sent: 22 September 2005 20:15
> 	To: Richard Ishida; 'Bruno Girin';
www-international-request@w3.org
> 	Cc: www-di@w3.org; www-international@w3.org
> 	Subject: RE: Web page layouts in different cultures - question
from
> DIWG
> 
> 
> 	At 05:43 AM 9/22/2005, Richard Ishida wrote:
> 
> 
> 		> Unfortunately neither HTML nor CSS support vertical
> layout.
> 
> 		CSS3 will provide this.  Note also that some vertical
text
> support is
> 		available using IE already (though I'm not recommending
this
> be used until
> 		standards exist, you can see an example at
>
http://people.w3.org/rishida/scripts/samples/japanese.html
> (select the
> 		direction in the right hand column). Note how the text
does
> not fill the
> 		page vertically. )
> 
> 
> 	No need to wait for CSS3, both XSL
> 	  http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xsl-20011015/
> 	<http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xsl-20011015/> and SVG (check
section
> 10)
> 	  http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/
> 	<http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/> support vertical text in their
current
> Recommendations. The CSS3 proposals of record are largely based on the
XSL
> extensions, but the Rudy support in CSS3 was done only in CSS.
> 
> 
> 
> 	        Steve
> 	=====================================
> 	Steve Zilles
> 	115 Lansberry Court,
> 	Los Gatos, CA 95032-4710
> 	steve@zilles.org
> 



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