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RE: Web page layouts in different cultures - question from DIWG

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:43:18 +0100
To: "'Bruno Girin'" <Bruno.Girin@cambista.com>, <www-international-request@w3.org>
Cc: <www-di@w3.org>, <www-international@w3.org>
Message-Id: <20050922124317.C567C4EED3@homer.w3.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-international-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Bruno Girin
> Sent: 19 September 2005 13:44

> layout of the site is reversed; browsers will put the 
> scrollbar on the left of the window when you have dir="rtl" 
> in the html tag.

Actually, as far as I know this is only IE, and only, as you say, when
dir="rtl" appears in the html tag.

Note that I've asked north african folks their opinions about this on a
number of occasions, and they have generally responded that the position of
the scrollbar should depend on the UI context, rather than the language of
the document content.

> Unfortunately neither HTML nor CSS support vertical layout.

CSS3 will provide this.  Note also that some vertical text support is
available using IE already (though I'm not recommending this be used until
standards exist, you can see an example at
http://people.w3.org/rishida/scripts/samples/japanese.html (select the
direction in the right hand column). Note how the text does not fill the
page vertically. )


Richard Ishida

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-international-request@w3.org
> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Rotan Hanrahan
> Sent: 19 September 2005 11:49
> To: www-international@w3.org
> Cc: www-di@w3.org
> Subject: Web page layouts in different cultures - question from DIWG
> At a recent meeting of the Device Independence Working Group 
> (W3C-DIWG) we discussed the issue of page layouts, and how to 
> represent/process them when adapting content for different 
> devices. Our perception of page layouts is based mostly on 
> our Western experience of such pages, as such people are in 
> the majority in our group. Typically: logo and ads on the 
> top, navigation down the left, copyright at the bottom, 
> scrolling the page is vertical etc...
> However, we were concerned that such layouts may not be 
> representative of the non-Western world. I am seeking 
> references to information about this topic. If it turns out 
> that the Western ideas of page layouts are broadly compatible 
> with the ideas of page layout around the world, then there is 
> no issue for us to worry about.
> (For immediate response from DI to any relevant ideas on this 
> issue, please email the www-di public mailing list.)
> Thank you.
> ---Rotan Hanrahan (member DI, chair DD, ACRep MobileAware)
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