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Re: Draft: Plan and next steps for AppCache.NG

From: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:07:43 +0100
To: Philippe Le H├ęgaret <plh@w3.org>, "Mike Smith" <mike@w3.org>, "Doug Schepers" <doug@w3.org>, "Paul Cotton" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "Sam Ruby" <rubys@us.ibm.com>, "Maciej Stachowiak" <mjs@apple.com>, "Robin Berjon" <robin.berjon@gmail.com>, "Jonas Sicking" <sicking@mozilla.com>, "Adrian Bateman" <adrianba@microsoft.com>, "Marcos Caceres" <w3c@marcosc.com>, "Chris Wilson" <cwilso@google.com>, "Tobie Langel" <tobie@fb.com>, "Jake Archibald" <jaffathecake@gmail.com>, "Arthur Barstow" <art.barstow@nokia.com>
Cc: www-archive@w3.org
Message-ID: <op.wncuu5kxy3oazb@chaals.local>
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:47:32 +0100, Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>  
wrote:

> Hi All - I've been thinking about "who is going to do what and when?" re  
> AppCache.NG, and below is a series of related Q&As.

They look good to me (modulo the joint deliverable idea). In particular, I  
agree that I was optimistic in saying we could take this under the  
existing charter. I infer an action item for me to draft a new webapps  
charter proposal.

> As I worked through a plan and next steps, I started to think that since  
> it could be unwise or even potentially harmful to extract AppCache from  
> HTML5,

Maybe... Certainly, for all its faults, appcache is widely implemented so  
the existing spec should stay *somewhere* - if it gets pulled, it probably  
makes a good NOTE if we're not going to directly build on top of it.

> I concluded it may be best to make AppCache.NG a joint deliverable  
> between WebApps and HTMLWG. As such, my Q&As reflect a joint deliverable  
> for AppCache.NG.

I don't understand why. Frankly I don't care - there is some overhead in  
coordination but not much, and it seems likely that people in HTML are  
interested in Appcache. I don't share the opinion of some that HTML is not  
a group where you can do work. The question for me comes down to:
1. Is there someone in HTML who is not in Webapps, won't join it, and is  
important to the discussion? And more importantly
2. Where does whoever does the actual work here do it?

cheers

Chaals

> Please let me know your thoughts on these points, especially the  
> relationship between these two groups for AppCache.NG.
>
> -Thanks, AB
>
> P.S. I didn't cross-post this to the CG or the two WGs since this is  
> basically a strawman proposal to see if "I heard what you heard" last  
> week. However, if you want to forward this to any of those lists, that's  
> fine with me.
>
>
> <Q&A>
>
> * What is the status of AppCache for the HTMLWG's HTML5.REC-track spec?  
> AppCache will be marked as a Feature At Risk in HTML5.REC-track.
>
> * Where will work on UCs and Requirements for AppCache.NG be done? UCs  
> and Reqs work for AppCache.NG will be lead by the Fixing AppCache CG  
> using their public-fixing-appcache list. We expect that work to be  
> direct input into the specification of AppCache.NG.
>
> * Currently, are there any concrete proposal(s) for the AppCache.NG  
> spec? No, although Jonas Sicking indicated he will make a proposal.
>
> * Which WG will lead the specification of AppCache.NG? WebApps (see  
> #WebApps-mins and #HTMLWG-mins).
>
> * Which e-mail list will be used for technical discussion about the  
> AppCache.NG spec? public-webapps (Subject: prefix [appcache]).
>
> * Will the AppCache.NG spec be included in HTML5.REC-track or in a  
> standalone Extension spec? This depends on a number of factors including  
> when AppCache.NG is stable, its level of implementation, its level of  
> interoperability, etc.
>
> * Which WG will publish AppCache.NG? WebApps & HTMLWG will jointly  
> publish AppCache.NG since it will be a joint deliverable between the two  
> groups.
>
> * Will WebApps need a charter update to formally add AppCache? Yes (see  
> #WebApps-charter).
>
> * Will AppCache.NG be identified as a joint deliverable in both WebApps'  
> and HTMLWG's charters? Yes.
>
> #WebApps-mins <http://www.w3.org/2012/10/30-webapps-minutes.html#item06>
> #HTMLWG-mins <http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-html-wg-minutes.html#item02>
> #WebApps-charter <http://www.w3.org/2012/webapps/charter/>
>
> </Q&A>
>
>


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