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Re: Fact checking

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:31:05 +0100
Message-ID: <500D5219.2010705@w3.org>
To: Julian Tait <julian@futureeverything.org>
CC: www-archive@w3.org
Thanks Julian - very helpful.

I've added this mail, more or less verbatim, to the report - so now folk 
can see exactly where the figure came from and what you did and didn't 
claim!

Cheers

Phil.

On 23/07/2012 13:59, Julian Tait wrote:
> Hi Phil,
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> This figure has been conflated:
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> The 8.5 million figure was based on an rudimentary internal audit that was conducted by Trafford Borough Council that was then extrapolated to cover the whole of Greater Manchester. There are a lot of assumptions in the figure and I did caveat it whilst doing my presentation - The figure has cropped up a few times especially from the Cabinet Office.
> The figure was derived from:
> They estimated that at any given time during a working day there was at least 60 people within the local authority who were unable to locate the data they required to undertake their jobs. This was costed at a nominal figure of 15 p.h. They then extrapolated it across the 10 Greater Manchester authorities to give the 8.5 million figure. The actual figures used on the method were actually 15.84 million per annum but these were revised down due to local authority salary bands.
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> 60 people x 10 = 600
> Hourly rate = 8 per hour, which is less than the 15 per hour used to calculate the cost of FOIA requests
> Hours per day = 8
> Working days per year = 220
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> Total 8,448,000
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> These are the figures that were supplied by Trafford Council
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> The other example was the cost of installing passenger information displays across Greater Manchester. This was an example used by TfGM when it first gave its support to open data in 2010. It worked out that to install the realtime passenger information displays on bus stops across Greater Manchester could potentially cost 21 million as there are 14,000+ bus stops and each of the displays costs approx 1,500 each including installation. I didn't state a figure in the presentation, I just said that you can see that it would cost a lot of money.
> If you cost it at 21 million you are assuming that every stop has a display which in the real world won't happen.
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> On another note Jay Nath CIO, San Francisco announced this calculation a couple of weeks ago with regard to 311 Call savings from making real time transport data available
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> Hope this makes a little more sense.
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> Any other questions, please don't hesitate to reply.
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> Cheers
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> On 23 Jul 2012, at 12:35, Phil Archer wrote:
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>> Hi Julian,
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>> I'm answering comments on the PMOD report from my boss and he's raised an issue that does indeed need clarification.
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>> In your slides you say it costs an estimated 8.5M to provide the data infrastructure for GM transport data. In the minutes this all got recorded as there being a potential saving of that amount simply by providing smartphone apps cf. providing info at bus shelters. Can you help me out please by clarifying what the actual costs are and what is saved by doing... ?
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>> Thanks
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Phil Archer
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