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Re: are decisions on what get merged into HTML5 made behind closed doors?

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:08:23 -0600
Message-ID: <CAOavpvdXob3U0RYJqozNTkVw7hD7yVomKWzkz7z1J13beBrE0A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Cc: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Philippe Le H├ęgaret <plh@w3.org>, Michael Smith <mike@w3.org>, www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:

> I refuse to play that game.

Don't  answer then and continue with the game you are playing.

L

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> On 12/03/2012 08:48 AM, Laura Carlson wrote:
>>
>> The question is one of veracity.
>>
>> Does the HTMLWG have:
>> "two very private lists, where all the decisions about what actually
>> gets merged into the spec appear to take place."?
>>
>> Sam, is that statement:
>>
>> True or false?
>>
>> Pick one.
>
>
> Do you still beat your wife?  Yes or no?  Pick one.
>
> I refuse to play that game.
>
> Categorical statements I will make:  All working group decisions are made
> publicly, and are based on publicly made comments.  All updates made to
> Candidate Recommendation drafts will be made in response to bug reports.
> The Working Group is provided with ample opportunity to request that changes
> that have not been adequately pre-flighted with the group to be reverted.
>
>
>> Laura
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/03/2012 05:00 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chairs,
>>>>
>>>> The following statement was made recently [1]:
>>>>
>>>>    "HTMLWG has two very private lists, where all the decisions about
>>>> what
>>>> actually gets merged into the spec appear to take place."
>>>>
>>>> If this is the case, it appears to be very troubling state of affairs.
>>>>
>>>> I would appreciate it if the veracity of this statement was confirmed by
>>>> the Chairs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Editors, like yourself, make the initial determination as to what goes
>>> into
>>> specifications.  The chairs ensure that there is ample opportunity for
>>> the
>>> Working Group to review, comment on, influence, and ultimately overturn
>>> editor resolutions when necessary.
>>>
>>> If you know of any instance where editors have somehow avoided this,
>>> please
>>> let the chairs know of specifics, and we will investigate.  Here is a
>>> history of revert requests:
>>>
>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/revert-requests.html
>>>
>>> Here are the processes we are following for extension specifications:
>>>
>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v3.html#cr
>>>
>>> To date, no extension specification has been nominated for inclusion.
>>>
>>> And here is the process that we will hopefully shortly be following for
>>> CR:
>>>
>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v3.html#cr
>>>
>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>
>>>
>>>> [1] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20121201#l-144
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> with regards
>>>>
>>>> Steve Faulkner
>>>> Technical Director - TPG
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
Laura L. Carlson
Received on Monday, 3 December 2012 14:09:30 GMT

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