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Re: another example of HTML5 conformance and advice divergence

From: Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:39:58 +0200
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>, www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "Michael(tm) Smith" <mike@w3.org>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Message-ID: <1334741998.31054.203.camel@chacal>
Hi Steve,

Thank you for the information.

The HTML Working Group only controls what goes in the W3C HTML5
specification and makes the decision of how much such divergence needs
to be. At the end of the day however, the Working Group doesn't control
documents from other Working Groups or that are being published outside
the W3C website. Historically speaking, it has always been the case that
developer documentation on browser websites or alternative websites have
differences. We also have to recognize that we don't control authoring
tools or Web developers either. That's the nature of the Web and the
nature of our effort to spread what we believe are good practices and
advices. People and groups are entitled to their own opinions. We
certainly expect that the Working Group seek convergence instead of
divergence and makes informed decisions when divergence happens. That's
part of the value of the Working Group and, while the current group
operation mode isn't smooth and has a high toll on the Group
participants, it is still important to move HTML forward.

Philippe

On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 09:58 +0200, Steve Faulkner wrote:
> 
> FYI
> 
> Recent HTML WG decisions have resulted in title attribute use on an
> image without an alt attribute no longer being conforming in W3C HTML5
> but continuing to be conforming in WHATWG HTML. The WHATWG HTML also
> continues to advocate the use of the title attribute in cases that
> have a negative impact on accessibility for a range of users, while
> the advice has been removed from W3C HTML5
> 
>         1.2 Is this HTML5?
>         The W3C HTML specification omits a number of suggestions
>         regarding using the title attribute, and makes using the title
>         attribute for captions non-conforming in certain specific
>         cases, because of a number of working group chair decisions
>         from March 2012: first, second, third. 
> 
> source:
> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/introduction.html#is-this-html5?
> 
> regards
> Stevef
> 
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