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RE: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:55:54 +0100
To: "'Arthur Barstow'" <Art.Barstow@nokia.com>, "'Addison Phillips'" <addison@amazon.com>
Cc: "'Felix Sasaki'" <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>, "'Marcos Caceres'" <marcosc@opera.com>, "'Robin Berjon'" <robin@berjon.com>, "'Steven Pemberton'" <Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl>, "'Doug Schepers'" <schepers@w3.org>, "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <chaals@opera.com>, "'www-archive'" <www-archive@w3.org>
Message-ID: <004401caf8dc$91dd6660$b5983320$@org>
Hi Art,

#16 is already fixed and closed.  (See
http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/).  I owed you some
suggestions for #15, which I sent in the latest email for that comment.

Cheers,
RI

============
Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/International/
http://rishida.net/




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:Art.Barstow@nokia.com]
> Sent: 21 May 2010 12:25
> To: Addison Phillips; Richard Ishida
> Cc: Felix Sasaki; Marcos Caceres; Robin Berjon; Steven Pemberton; Doug
> Schepers; Charles McCathieNevile; www-archive
> Subject: Re: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> Thank you for sending in comments 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20. Is there a
> number 16 or other comments you will send?
> 
> Also, will Addison send us an e-mail or should we consider the
> comments you already submitted as the final comments from the I18N WG
> for the P&C spec?
> 
> Re comment #20, I appreciate you marking this as closed since a
> change like this is indeed too late.
> 
> -Art Barstow
> 
> On May 20, 2010, at 12:32 PM, ext Richard Ishida wrote:
> 
> > Hi Art,
> >
> > We discussed this at the i18n telecon last night and Addison has an
> > action
> > to respond to you quickly to (I hope) let you know that all is ok.
> >
> > However, I gave the document one more read through myself this
> > afternoon
> > just for good measure, and I noticed a small number of editorial
> > nits that I
> > will send along in a few minutes in separate emails.
> >
> > One additional comment that's not worth a separate email: Yves
> > Savourel's
> > name is missing the final 'l' in the acknowledgements section.
> >
> > As always, a summary of all our comments can be found at
> > http://www.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/ with links to
> > email
> > threads.  Comments on a white background are deemed to be fixed/
> > closed.
> >
> > I added one substantive comment (number 20) that reflects something I
> > mentioned in an email on 26th March, but I am assuming that it is
> > now too
> > late to change it, so I marked the comment as closed.  (If it is
> > not too
> > late to change it, please consider doing so, of course.) I will
> > send an
> > email for that one too, just to keep the books tidy.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > RI
> >
> > ============
> > Richard Ishida
> > Internationalization Lead
> > W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/International/
> > http://rishida.net/
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.barstow@nokia.com]
> > Sent: 12 May 2010 17:14
> > To: Richard Ishida; Addison Phillips; Felix Sasaki
> > Cc: Marcos Caceres; Robin Berjon; Steven Pemberton; Doug Schepers;
> > Charles
> > McCathieNevile; www-archive
> > Subject: Fwd: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Marcos has completed all of the changes to the Widget Packaging and
> > Configuration (P&C) spec related to the new <span> element and dir
> > attribute
> > and the removal of the ITS references. The latest Editor's Draft that
> > includes these changes is:
> >
> > [ED]  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
> >
> > Would the I18N WG please review the changes and submit comments to
> > public-webapps?
> >
> > Given the last formal publication of this spec was a CR and we
> > consider the
> > <span> and dir changes as a replacement for ITS, our plan (once we
> > have
> > sufficient implementation data) is to move directly to PR and not
> > publish
> > another LC or CR. As such, we want to know if the I18N WG sees any
> > issues
> > with [ED].
> >
> > -Thanks, Art Barstow
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >
> > From: Arthur Barstow <Art.Barstow@nokia.com>
> > Date: April 6, 2010 10:05:33 AM EDT
> > To: Addison Phillips <addison@amazon.com>, Marcos Caceres
> > <marcosc@opera.com>, Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>,
> > "Martin J.
> > Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
> > Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
> > Subject: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:
> >
> > Hi Marcos, All,
> >
> > Has the I18N Core WG reviewed Marcos' latest proposal? If yes,
> > where can we
> > find their comments; if no, when can we expect a reply?
> >
> > -Art Barstow
> >
> > On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:07 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29/03/10 5:16 PM, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> > This doesn't make any sense to me. I think you are over-thinking this.
> >
> > The author element contains the author's *NAME*. It can also
> > include an href
> > and an email attribute. UTR#36 refers explicitly to IRIs and IDNA
> > addresses,
> > which would be the values of these attributes. However, it does NOT
> > refer to
> > plain text (the body of the element 'author') which is what the 'dir'
> > attribute really applies to. To not provide bidirectional overrides
> > for the
> > author's name strikes me as incredibly short sighted, given that
> > you can
> > override any higher-level element. To have one place in your
> > configuration
> > document that requires controls is not to improve security, it is
> > to reduce
> > usability.
> >
> > I've updated the spec and the RelaxNG to include "rlo" and "lro".
> >
> > It would make far more sense for you to cite UTR#36 with regard to an
> > implementations presentation of the href or email attributes,
> > suggesting (or
> > forbidding) the application of the dir attribute to these values.
> > But the
> > body of the<author>  element needs the bidi markup and should not
> > depend on
> > Unicode bidi controls.
> >
> > I trashed the old note, made this new note.
> >
> > [[
> > Note: Implementations intending to display IRIs and IDNA addresses
> > found
> > in the configuration document are strongly encouraged to follow the
> > security advice given in [UTR36]. This could include, for example,
> > behaving as if the dir attribute had no effect on any IRI attributes,
> > path attributes, and the author element's email attribute.
> > ]]
> >
> > IRI attributes, path attributes are defined in the specification.
> >
> > Any better?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Marcos
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marcos Caceres
> > Opera Software
> >
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