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RE: ACTION-169: Send an email to the dublin core group

From: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:48:46 -0800
To: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
CC: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Sam Ruby <rubys@us.ibm.com>, "Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com)" <mjs@apple.com>, Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>, "Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)" <mike@w3.org>, www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>
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Thanks for the note reminding me of
    http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML


However, I will note that that esw Wiki entry does not point to 
   http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html


(it's link to "Decision Policy" instead points
to http://www.w3.org/2007/03/HTML-WG-charter.html#decisions )

and the state there:

# CLOSED = The chairs believe either the WG has resolved the issue (via spec editing) or the issue has been withdrawn. Only the chairs should move issues to 'closed'. Typically moving issues from

is inconsistent with step 2a of  the HTML working group
decision policy, which notes a new state 
"CLOSED WITHOUT PREJUDICE" in which the WG has not
resolved the issue via spec editing, and the issue
has not been withdrawn, but rather, the issue has
timed out from the chair's deadline asking for
a specific change proposal.

Since the working group decision policy (as written
and also in practice) is at odds with what the
Wiki says about ISSUE status, it would be good to
get confirmation about how much of the rest of that
Wiki page is still valid.

Thanks,

Larry
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http://larry.masinter.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Carlson [mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:29 AM
To: Larry Masinter
Cc: Paul Cotton; Sam Ruby; Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Philippe Le Hegaret; Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org); www-archive
Subject: Re: ACTION-169: Send an email to the dublin core group

Hi Larry,

HTML WG Tracker definitions are in the Wiki.
http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML


We worked those out when Chris was Chairing.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008JulSep/0013.html

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/70


Best Regards,
Laura

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com> wrote:
> Sure; my understanding of Tracker and process (from how the TAG works) is
> that when someone believes they have completed an action, they mark the
> action Pending Review; when the chairs have accepted the action as
> performed, the chairs mark it “Closed”.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure if that practice is consistent with HTML-WG’s use of the W3C
> issue tracker, since there seem to be recent discussions over what is or
> isn’t an ISSUE and who should or shouldn’t raise one in what circumstance.
> Some additional guidance on working group use of the issue tracker would be
> helpful.
>
>
>
> As for Action-169, I was tempted to close the issue myself when I sent the
> mail but thought a confirmation would be useful. And, in fact, my first
> email bounced; the Dublin Core General mailing list is restricted to posts
> from members only. I actually joined the DC mailing list just to be able to
> resend the message.
>
>
>
> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1001&L=DC-GENERAL&T=0&F=&S=&X=2D02A843C1D27FD7FD&Y=masinter%40adobe.com&P=791

>
>
>
> shows it in the DCMI mailing list archive, and the HTML WG mailing list has
> since gotten direct postings from members of the Dublin Core group, and so
> gotten confirmation that it was received. I think you could close the action
> even before the meeting if you’re satisfied that it was performed, since it
> doesn’t really merit discussion.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://larry.masinter.net

>
>
>
> From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:59 AM
> To: Larry Masinter
> Cc: Sam Ruby; Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Philippe Le Hegaret;
> Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org); www-archive
> Subject: RE: ACTION-169: Send an email to the dublin core group
>
>
>
> Thanks for the update.  Can we simply close this Action as completed at this
> week’s meeting?
>
>
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>
>
>
> From: Larry Masinter [mailto:masinter@adobe.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:53 PM
> To: Paul Cotton
> Cc: Sam Ruby; Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Philippe Le Hegaret;
> Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org); www-archive
> Subject: RE: ACTION-169: Send an email to the dublin core group
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:47 AM, Paul Cotton asked, regarding
> ACTION-169:
>
>
>
> Ø  What is the status of this Action item?  It was due on Jan 14.
>
>
>
> Last Wednesday, January 13,
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0574.html

>
>
>
> I sent an email to the HTML working group, which included:
>
> =====================
>
> ACTION-169: I just sent this email and marked
>
> the action as Pending Review.
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0573.html

>
>
>
> ======================
>
>
>
> and, as I noted, I edited the status of ACTION-169 in the working group
> tracker to be “pending review”.
>
>
>
> If you look in the W3C HTML working group issue tracker at
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/169 you will note that the status
> of the action is marked “Pending Review”.  The tracker on the action item
> includes pointers to the emails.
>
>
>
> So, to answer your question: the status of this Action Item is that it is
> “pending review”.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Larry
>
> --
>
> http://larry.masinter.net

>
>
>
> From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:47 AM
> To: Larry Masinter
> Cc: Sam Ruby; Maciej Stachowiak (mjs@apple.com); Philippe Le Hegaret;
> Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)
> Subject: ACTION-169: Send an email to the dublin core group
>
>
>
> ACTION-169: Send an email to the dublin core group
>
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/169

>
>
>
> What is the status of this Action item?  It was due on Jan 14.
>
>
>
> /paulc
>
>
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>
>



-- 
Laura L. Carlson
Received on Tuesday, 19 January 2010 18:49:25 GMT

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