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The HTML5 process is fair

From: Dean Edridge <dean@dean.org.nz>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:52:49 +1300
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Cc: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>
Message-id: <49297C51.3060002@dean.org.nz>

>> The important thing to note here is that he doesn't discuss changes 
>> to the spec privately, meaning he makes all decisions publicly.
> That makes it sound as if these private conversations are indeed one-way.

I know that there aren't any private conversations because he's told me 
he wont discuss anything with me off list, it's as simple as that. The 
reason I asked him to was because, as you know, discussing XHTML on 
public-html has led to arguments in the past. So I ended up discussing 
things with some of the guys that hang out on #whatwg instead.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way, just list the things that 
you're not happy with, see if you can come up with some proposed 
solutions, then discuss them with Ian, Dan, Chris or Mike.

Earlier on in this thread:
>> It was you that asked/demanded that we have a special doctype for 
>> XSLT generated HTML5. There were *lots of objections* to that, myself 
>> and 
> I was one of several people asking for it.

And remember that one of the several other people asking for a "special 
case" doctype for XSLT generated HTML5 was Jirka Kosek, he happens to be 
known as a XML expert, (like you) and is a member of the W3C's XSLT 
working group (I think), he disagreed with you and said that he was OK 
with the outcome of the XSLT-doctype issue. [1] So it's not like it's 
just Ian that's disagreeing with you on this one. I do remember Ian 
saying recently that he was willing to look at another option anyway 
[2], so don't give up.

> Dean, I note that you apparently changed your opinion about thus by 
> 180 degrees since last December.

It's not as black and white as that, I'm not saying things are 100% 
perfect, I don't really think there's a better alternative and I'm 
trying to work with what we have. I have confidence in Ian, he has a lot 
of integrity and is very committed to developing the Open web.

> Apparently your experience with the process was better than mine.

 From my memory I haven't made any proposals since January, so it's not 
like all of a sudden all my ideas have been added to the spec so now 
Ian's my best friend or something. What it comes down to is that I have 
seen that Ian does listen to all peoples feedback and we just can't let 
ourselves get to a point where we say: "This process isn't perfect, so 
lets tip the whole thing upside down and start again". We just have to 
persevere and keep the communication lines open.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that.

[1] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5803#c22
[2] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20081023#l-272

Dean Edridge
Received on Sunday, 23 November 2008 15:53:36 UTC

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