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Re: Full Potential: Who's counting? was Aria Syntax in SVG

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:36:58 -0400
Message-ID: <485CBDAA.4000007@w3.org>
To: Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Cc: w3c-wai-pf@w3.org, www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>, process-issues@w3.org, www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>, public-svg-ig@w3.org

Hi, Jonathan-

The SVG Interest Group [1] is *clearly and explicitly* intended to bring 
more users into the process.  Read in particular the Scope and 
Participation sections.  I explicitly invited you to join the SVG IG to 
help with this [2].

How you could read or imagine it to be anything else is quite beyond me. 
  Your failure to understand or acknowledge this makes me pause to 
consider whether you are willing to usefully contribute to the SVG IG in 
this capacity.

[1] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/SVG_rechartering/SVG-IG-charter.html
[2] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Activities#Accessibility_Note

Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF


Jonathan Chetwynd wrote (on 6/21/08 4:06 AM):
> Doug,
> 
> as per the formal objection to WCAG2 I wish to make it clear that as far 
> as I am aware ARIA, WCAG, SVG and HTML, in common with other 
> W3CWGs, continue to fail to involve end users in their process. The 
> results are web technologies that suit guilds of web designers and their 
> corporations, but do little to enable the general person on the Clapham 
> Omnibus who wishes to publish independently.
> 
> I have repeatedly asked the SVGWG to consider creating a microformat. 
> One that could be more easily implemented allowing the creation of an 
> authoring tool that produced accessible files. Inkscape after a decade 
> of development still has no check on whether a primary title is 
> included, though the spec. suggests every file should have one. There 
> are amazingly few files with titles in the wild, early this  year, a 
> grep check on openclipart, suggests there may be 0.08%  or about 6 out 
> of 7000. The W3C validator performs no check on whether a title is present.
> 
> It remains the case that easy to use authoring software is hard to find. 
> A request to the Oatsoft open source assistive technology software 
> archive produced no results.
> ARIA does nothing to address this imbalance, it is merely another layer 
> of complexity, requiring implementation.
> 
> Whilst it may be true that the original html specifications led to a 
> vicious cycle of bloating user agents, poor code and many ugly sites, 
> the fact remains that end-users were engaged.
> 
> I have also repeatedly asked the W3C management team to consider the 
> need to include end-users in the specification process.
> It remains to be seen whether the SVGIG is an attempt to meet this request.
> 
> regards
> 
> the formal objection to WCAG2
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2006Jun/0118.html
> 
> "Putting the User at the Heart of the W3C Process"
> a talk given at the CETIS Accessibility SIG Meeting 24th July 2007
> http://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Putting_the_User_at_the_Heart_of_the_W3C_Process
> 
> Full Potential: Who's counting?
> 
> 10 October 2007
> 
> process-issues@w3.org <mailto:process-issues@w3.org> members only?? attached
> 
> 
> easy to use authoring software
> 
> http://lists.becta.org.uk/pipermail/oats-sig/2008-February/001279.html
> 
> 
> Oatsoft open source assistive technology software archive
> 
> http://www.oatsoft.org/
> 
> 
> Authors should always provide a 'title' child element to the 
>  outermost 'svg' element within a stand-alone SVG document.
> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/struct.html#DescriptionAndTitleElements
> 
> W3C Validator: SVG: title & accessibility
> 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2008Apr/0000.html
> 
> 
> my logo <http://www.openicon.org>
> 
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> 
> j.chetwynd@btinternet.com <mailto:j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
> http://www.openicon.org/
> 
> +44 (0) 20 7978 1764
> 
> 
> Full Potential: Who's counting?
> 
> Ian,
> 
> Who is tasked with measuring and reporting on how or indeed whether W3C 
> is fulfilling it's stated objective?
> 
> Is this an external and independent body?
> 
> Where are their reports published?
> 
> regards
> 
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
> 
> http://www.w3.org/1998/02/Potential.html
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> 
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> 
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> 
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